Aviva Directory gets a Review. Concerned about its recent drop from google

Hello,
I was not able to get in touch with jeff and get his interview, so have posted my review for Aviva Web Directory at Web Directory Reviews.

Maybe you guys can help me out as to why google has dropped aviva from its pages, and now you cannot find pages from aviva for terms like "Aviva Download Blog" "Aviva Strongest Directories" on first page of google. Is google going to ban Aviva or its just fluctuations associated with googles recent pagerank updates and data dump ?

Few other shortcomings i noticed and made me upset about aviva are also discussed. Special the incomplete page (which been sitting like that for more than 6 months).





Next directory inline for which i was not able to get any interview would be Alive directory or Biz-King

Enjoy

 

Your review doesn't digest well with me. No hard feelings please.

Your review speaks about its about us , its keywords and a few serp positions(which all know keep changing).

- Is that a complete review? Doesn't Aviva have a lot more to say?

If Jeff wasn't available for interview you would have waited isn't it?

It looks to me a throwing stones manner n style the way you have mentioned the last para's of the review.

- I am not happy, more of a Wanna Be type of interview targeting the Best.

- As I said before, no hard feelings please.

 

Hmm yep you should have done Interview with the review!

But anyways it is in Top 10 for "Strongest Directories"!
Who would search for Aviva Strongest Directories lol?

 

Sorry humm, like Alagn said "here is my opininion. If you would like to do a review on directory, you don't have to ask for owner permission. Just write your honest review and publish it." as suggested by many in my thread here : http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=450825
I am sure you might have missed it. I am not bound to post interviews for directories, if i cannot get hold of them or if i do not want to. And if you tell me i should have waited and i am looking more like wanabee desperate for interviews you just lost respect... from me. And you think if i write a review about botw, the owner would care ? Or if i write something about business.com would they care ? And shall i keep waiting forever to get any interview from them before i post review ? I already have quite a few number of interviews from those interested in a review.

Now i can be honest, or dishonest i cannot be in between right?, hell if I find something -ve about your directory i will blog about it too. I have done that in past and directory owners have taken criticism in the manner they should have "aka they have accepted the shortcomings and tried to improve upon the same" .

Sorry if i hurt your feelings maybe because its your favorite directory, but answer me, this , whats wrong about making it loud and clear that wooops you forgot to update your page for say like 6 months or more. Does that show that you care about your directory/site or does it show that you do not care about your directory/site ?

Whats worse than having a broken link on site is having a page which says under construction all the time.

And i talked about its google rankings cause isnt it concerning seeing heavily promoted directories like aviva loosing its edge and getting de-indexed. Like i said could be cause of google pr update thats happening and the google data dump as i heard. Who knows 2 weeks from now those terms will rank good again ?

And Humm, read the bottom line " Anyways that concludes my brief review about Aviva Web Directory, and Jeff if you read this review, please help me out here by answering few of the questions I have on my mind."

I have not seen any +ve aspect so far of Aviva, other than the fact that its design is talked about all the time, how strong it is, is upto seo experts to decide, i am just a noob at seoing. So, i cannot write about something that i do not see from my own eyes. Its all about being honest about things.

I see people being honest when criticizing google , its adsense structure and at same time people admiring the same, so bottom line is there are 2 sides to coin.

And no where on my site i mention that i will post what other people think(that is why comments field is there for), i have always mentioned that i will post my honest review(aka no one pays me for reviews or favoritisms, i will simply not do that,forgot about noble directory review? directory share review ? ). And whats wrong with posting the shortcomings and recent changes in google when someone points the same to me and i can see the facts from my own eyes ?

And to answer your question : "Is that a complete review? Doesn't Aviva have a lot more to say? "

It looks like its a brief review i could come up with for aviva, i mentioned the same in review itself. And if aviva has more to say , i invite aviva to say the same here or on the review itself.

 

Sounds like link bait to me...

 

Bite me if you can lol

 

With all respect I appreciate the above post by you.

By saying Wanna Be type of interview I didn't mean to hurt ya, the interview looked that way to me and hence I told ya, have I ever spoken ill about your any other interviews? We have a spoken via chats etc before. And consider ya a friend.

The reason for me to say that it wan't a complete review is Aviva had more to say!

It brought a change today in the Directory industry by bringing in PS and list of quality directories.

Its made all those mind change that Directory was only for links, well every directory today follows the same footsteps of Aviva and add a blog and thus try to provide its visitors some quality information too.

Its provided a lot of free templates for almost every type of directory script which still some directories haven't done yet.

Now talking about business and botw etc, well most important Aviva has a friendly and supportive owner jeff who you can always contact and communicate with.

I see a lot more positive sides of Aviva, which you haven't seen as you say.

Maybe yes I accept it its my fav directory. I am biased there, but I repeat Aviva does have a lot of positive sides you need to see them clearly my friend.

- Sorry if you were/are hurt by my reply.

 

Who is to decide about quality , you or more or just Jeff single handed ?

And PS was brought by Seomoz not by aviva if i am not mistaken, please do correct me. Aviva only used it to list few sites they thought they wanted to list. I do not see all the strong directories listed there, now i wonder why is that ? They just used it to their own advantage as any smart person would do to produce cost-effect marketing of the site.

And look at today, directory owners despise the page strength tool itself.

Like i said, i know only so much about avia, thats why i leave the comments fields open, do post all your +ve or -ve comments , thats why it called a Review, and its not done by no professionals so cannot blaim for what you see there. Like i said if i had anything personal vendetta against them you think i would even care posting about their directory/site, does that make them look bad or make me look bad ?

By the way i have not posted all the shortcomings of avia on the review, as too much of anything is bad. For example, there are quite a few numbers of cats. without anything in them. And for a nice famous directory looks not so great. For small time directory like mine, no one would care.

And humm, wait and see i am sure jeff like any smart directory owner, will decide to complete his page. If he doesn't I do not know what more to say, it speaks for itself than doesn't it about dedication of Jeff. If someone told me that for 6 months i forgot to finish a page on my site which gets lots of visits and have nice google pr and people talk about it all the time, i would jump right on it and finish it up. Now that i made it really really loud and clear how i feel about incomplete websites/pages lets see what happens over the few days to that page. I will keep checking it daily for few days after which i will give up i suppose in trying to better Aviva.

 

Yes Seomoz made it but, Aviva started the trend for it to be used with directories. They never listed directories they wanted to, it was always listed according to the bases of PS. It was their way of terming and arranging directories on bases of PS, thus a list of quality and strong directories.

About your rest argument against Aviva, il leave it for jeff to answer. I have a important meeting.

 

Why do you both guys bash upon each other for this?

If it is a standard review, wait for Jeff to answer things, and make any changes or improvements if he can.
Fighting for this, you both will just lose your respect towards each other.

 

Sorry chetan dada, but i loose it when someone tells me to do something that i feel is not right. Thats how i am anyways. . But at this stage i doubt jeff would even want to reply. He must be thinking ooh that shit stirrer targetting my directory

 

@paidhosting:

You never contacted me. I have done a search of my email box and there is nothing in there from you. As well, you could easily have PM'd me and did not.

That being said, I would not have done an interview with you, since you were caught in a vote buying scandal:
http://www.avivadirectory.com/downloadblog/?p=276

Regarding the "about us" page, I note that your site does not have one. Are you "that busy or just does [sic] not know what to write about his own directory. If I see a page like that personally I walk turn [sic] away from that site."

Well, I agree we should "turn away" from your site at that point, but to address your remaining comments:

As for rankings, I've never tried to rank for most of the terms you chose. If you check terms that I have been targeting, I rank fine for them:

"Aviva Web Directory", "Aviva Website Directory", "Aviva Business Directory", "phpld templates", "color schemes", etc and many more.

Aviva's traffic from Google has tripled since January 2007.

As well, you state that there has been a de-indexing. I currently have about 14,000 pages indexed which is what the situation has been for months.

 

That's the most retarded article I have read in a while. Why would you judge the merits of Aviva based on it's "about us" page.

 

ok i have bold printed key points which i will say.

- you can say as much that aviva's indexed pages went down. Compre your site next to it, and you will see that you are no way near Aviva.. Don't talk unless you are better. Let your directory talk ! Show me where h-log have 14k indexed pages and a pr 6 with an alexa of 10,174



- Jeff is doing a good job with his targetted keywords... it is just saying oo why isn't habaa or other good directories aren't ranked in the top 10 for web directory. Some doesn't care about that keyword.

- Scandal h-log... how did i miss that ?

- I am waiting for more valid proof from your side paidhosting showing the pms you sent to jeff.


- @ Jeff: Don't worry man, when people talk and criticize you that means you are doin good. I think aviva is a good directory. Keep up the good work.

 

Thanks jeff will edit the review and post what you said about the terms you actually target.

And jeff i will look like an ass if i post a review for my own site. Only a moron would do that !! And jeff why would i pm you when i wanted to check the response time of your directory and all i got was some automated response that we got your message will get back to you or something similar.

And jeff if i do not have a page that means i do not want it on my site, atleast i do not keep it under constructions for 6 months. And i wonder if you will just keep arguing here or would you actually fix your own site. After all its you site, and wanted whats best for aviva as seen from potential client viewpoint.

PS: i invite you to please let me know if i have forgotten to update some page of mine, will appreciate it much. And if you are still hung up on that as you refer to as "Scandal for buying votes" , well i am not sure if you know how many people voted doing personal favors via pms. Like i said, its better to be honest than to speak about something behind someones back and knowledge.

@dcristo lol now if we see some broken page on google , we see millions of threads pop up against that and google thanks for pointing that, but here seems like the opposite, someone posts about a page not been updated for ages now, and all the sudden you are like omg wtf !! .. Yup weird article indeed for some.

@smub funny ur comparing an ant to an elephant makes u look crazy. Try comparing Aviva and Aliva , than get back to me. Thanks

 

I think that was an unfair review.
paidhosting, why didn't you talk about:
- All the listings that are added by editors (or may be Jeff), which makes aviva really a useful resource.
- The quality content in the blog that got thousands of diggs
- Being top 100 in Technorati authority
- "The authority" status in google
- The tutorials and more ...

 

Umm, actually i should not compare Alive and Aviva. Why ?? Because i dont see Chris judging Aviva. If he did i would definately do so.


Since you criticize Aviva in your review and judged it unfairly therefore it leads me to believe that you have something better than Aviva. Because if you don't than you shouldn't talk about it. Because a wise man would not judge another person's methods unless ofcourse he himself got better ones.


Now if h-log got anything that you think is super awesome and no other directory have. And that you have an alexa of 10k and 14k indexed pages .... than sure i will be happy to listen to your review of aviva.

If you don't, than instead of writing posts, why don't you work on getting all those which i am sure will take you couple of years, come back and write a better post comparing h-log to aviva in (Aug 2007) because i believe by the time you get up there he will be way ahead of you.

 

Sir mhamdi,
It sure was unfair at stages i agree, but hey jeff had decided not to talk to me, so i had no idea that aviva actually even had editors. And yes it has authority status in google, but i never understood that term,and i would not want to discuss that in the review,it also have a Compete Rank and not many directories have that either,so lots of things i did not go over. But like you mentioned i will edit the review and add the information i gather about aviva here. I am human only , well actually meatpopsicle. I did mention this about tutorial "Aviva has lots of resources for directory owners" and that speaks for itself doesnt it? Cause on none of my reviews i done prior to this i mentioned that for any directory. And i do not follow technorati.com and have never been to the site even once, until today to be frank.So, i cannot write about something i am not aware of. Its a personal review not a professional one. And regarding the number of diggs, people these days buy sell diggs, digg exchanged and what not so i really do not take number of diggs into considerations while doing reviews, i basically look at directories structure (like i did here also and pointed about about us page and posted what i felt after doing checks on for how long its been like that, who would do checks if they see under construction page ? ).

So mhamdi you really cannot blame me for not writing about aviva more,i went with what i had on me nothing more nothing less, as i never got any response from jeff, and i knew he would never either in the first place cause he is so hung up with the so called scandal .

Thats why i have this big set of interview questions, as i go over that first before even visiting the directory, cause who runs directory at times matter more than how directory actually looks like. Thats why i been trying to get as many interviews as possible from directory owners, cause things like this are bound to happen if i just go by with what i see on a directory. Cause most have not even heard about half of the directories that exists out there.

Anyways updating the review or rather just posting comment to it.

Duuh smub even a child can tell that money speaks for itself. If i had money backing me, you think i will be spending time posting reviews, and not just hire someone to do it for me and save me some time? Its just a review for some, no one cares about the time that is spent in doing the same right ? Just like that no one cares about a site that has no financial backing.

You will realize the power of money mate when you grow up. Money speaks for itself. And hey do not underestimate anyone smub who knows 10 years from now i am rich jerk, than we will talk about directories and comparing mine to some that spend money on it like its nothing to them.

Cheers.

 

diggs => quality content. you can't buy or exchange thousands of diggs for the same article.
technorati authority => number of blogs linking to you. eventhough a large number of the links come from sponsored themes, many are organic
google authority, I also see it more as related to specific keywords, but still it gives you an idea on the backlinks profile of a website.
you can't review a website and ignore the most important aspects like content and authority.

 

Is going to ban Aviva? WTF?!

Unless you friggin' work for Google, then you can't possibly have any idea about what Google will or will not ban in the future.