Advantage of an edu link?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by grahamrb, Aug 9, 2007.

  1. Alfredito

    Alfredito Peon

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    #61
    If no page rank, it wont help you, however, since its an EDU domain, im sure it will be very easy to find other high pr sites that will exchange links with you for free, then, your pr will get higher and higher
     
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  2. Dan Schulz

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    #62
    1.) I don't use Skype.

    2.) They have. You're just not listening to them. .edu and .gov (I'm bringing this up because someone else mentioned it) have no extra weight compared to other top level domains. Do you honestly think that the people who work at Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft's MSN division don't know what they're talking about? They MADE (or bought, depending on the company) these search engines. Of course they're going to know what they're talking about since they hold all the secrets (such as the algorithm). You don't. I don't. Minstrel doesn't. And when they talk, people listen. Some have chosen to listen to them. Others haven't. I feel sorry for those who chose to ignore them.

    It's just a fact of life that we all have to live with is all.
     
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  3. Dan Schulz

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    #63
    The TLD has nothing to do with it. I'm pretty sure that if the .xxx TLD were ever to be approved, the same people trying to sell .edu and .gov backlinks will start chasing after porn links because of the "popularity" of the pages on those domains (hmm... I wonder why?).

    Furthermore, PR (PageRank) only applies to Google. If you can, try to apply a search-engine agnostic approach to your search engine optimization strategies. As I tell other Web developers, if you code for IE first, you're going to have problems (just as you will if you code for Firefox, and then hack for IE). Definately keep Google in mind, but in this particular arena, put your human visitors first. :)
     
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  4. lovekills_s

    lovekills_s Well-Known Member

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    #64
    Ok Dan is right ofcourse when he says TLD doesnt matter.. Take it in this way, If a .com site has good content, nice SERPS, and backlinks from authority sites I guess thats more worthy then a crappy edu link that hasnt been updated since.. and is just an .edu for the sake of it being an edu..

    However, Keeping in mind, Not all edu's are good, you can easily see viagra spam on edu domains..

    Still, the point, that weather its edu or any other domain, by the time it has good content, backlinks from gov and authority domains, ranks good at SERPS, its bound to improve ranks Period!..
     
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  5. mridout196

    mridout196 Banned

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    #65
    Fine, you don't use skype :rolleyes:

    I know this is no real proof (im just thinking of ways to show it) - but if you search for .edu sites in google: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=.edu&hl=en&start=30&sa=N

    You will obviously see a list of .edu websites, now you can search way past page 15 and all these websites are still getting websites around PR9 / PR 8 - correct?

    Now Google values all these .EDU websites highly as it has given them their Google page rank correct? I mean Google measures a websites importance on the PR right, otherwise whats the point of PR? and don't start saying PR has anything to do with SERPS because it really doesn't these days.

    So what im saying is that look at the .EDU websites available, look at:

    1. The age of the domain
    2. The PR of the domain
    3. The quality of content on the website
    4. The regularity of updates on the site

    Look at these things and tell me that being associated with them isn't worth more than a 6 month old PR 5?

    I hope this has at least made you try and see where im coming from?
     
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  6. Dan Schulz

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    #66
    The same rule for .edu TLDs apply to .gov TLDs as well. :)
     
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  7. Dan Schulz

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    #67
    I'll bear that in mind.

    Their home pages (for most of them) yes. And remember, PageRank is calculated on a per-page basis, not per-site.

    Nope, Google values them highly because they have a lot of quality, relevant content that other Web pages and sites are linking to. Google measures a page's worth based on the content and the pages linking back to those pages, the latter of which (the inbound links) is then used to calculate that page's PageRank. As for the point of PR, ask Google. It's their hair-brained idea, not mine. Ok, just kidding, though that might actually not be a bad idea. PageRank is just a stupid system they use to describe how popular a page is based on the number of other pages linking to it.

    1. The age of the domain has nothing to do with it.
    2. PR is calculated per page, not per domain.
    3. A lof of educational sites have quality content worth linking to. Those sites also contain pages that are not worth linking to (mainly user generated content created by the student body).
    4. On which pages?

    You tell me. Is the link back to my page relevant to the topic being discusse don the .edu site's page with the link? If it is, you're damn right it'd be worth it. If it's not, and just some "me too" link, I'd rather wish they'd remove the link.
     
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  8. mridout196

    mridout196 Banned

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    #68
    Am aware of this but you can actually go to live page 50 and still see PR 9 homepages - any other kind of site this would not be possible.

    You misunderstood, by importance i mean exactly that. Google determines a websites importance by taking into account all the relevant factors - like you said. So im saying a PR is issued to a website looking at those factors - hence a websites importance.(to Google anyway)


    1. Age of a domain does have something to do with it, but alas I have no proof to show you. Why would you think Google would not consider a 10 year old domain more trusted than a 1 month old domain? - It makes sense.
    2. I know this and should have typed it properly
    3. They do have a lot of worthwhile quality that is yet another bonus of an .EDU link, there are .EDU links that are, like you said "student" controlled which would be less desirable. But its all relative, if your in the "auto" industry you wouldn't put your link on a "music" related page.
    4. Most .EDU sites have deep link pages that are updated on a day to day basis, you just have to look.

    Agreed :)
     
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  9. Giorgi

    Giorgi Well-Known Member

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    #69
    according to wiki:

     
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  10. Elee

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    #70
    I guess that means I can't go out and get an .edu domain.
     
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  11. kh7

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    #71
    I certainly know that the site DOES have impact on how much a page is trusted. I've seen pages rank because they were on a trusted domain. No external links to the page, not a very high PR - just a trusted domain, plus good title tags, good internal navigation (even though most of the site is on a totally different topic) etc. So put a page on a .edu page, get that page some external links from say social bookmarking sites, and I would not be surprised if it did start sending trust in the way of the site(s) it links to.
     
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  12. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #72
    Time to put up or shut up, mridout. We've had enough talk about proof that you could offer but don't post. And what you have posted doesn't prove anything. To quote you, it's getting old. :rolleyes:

    Why are they on page 50 and not opage 1 or 2? What does that tell you?

    Sorry, no. PageRank is a measure of number and quality of incoming links to that specific page. What Google does with PR is filter it and mix it in with a whole lot of other factors to determine ranking. What is important to Google is the relevance of a specific page top a spcific search term.

    Uh-huh. More bla-bla-bla. Show us those pages. Don't tell us you've "seen them".
     
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  13. mridout196

    mridout196 Banned

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    #73
    Seriously when the post just got constructive we get the yawner, boring, move along sir, you know nothing :rolleyes:

    I offered in the post or are you blind aswell as dumb?

    Are you really serious, you obviously think you know everything with posting this, if you had bothered to check the link the .edu links are on 50+ pages all ranking between 9-7 - STARTING FROM PAGE 1


    Are you blind?>!!!!!! OMG - do you want me to quote my previous posts??

    And PR has very little to do with serps - seriously why arent you banned from this place :eek:
     
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  14. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #74
    No. You posted an offer involving Skype and remote desktop which no one but an idiot would agree to. Post it here. Or forget it and move along.
     
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  15. mridout196

    mridout196 Banned

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    #75
    Good answer, way to go :rolleyes:
     
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  16. FreeTraffic

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    #76
    Mostly all .edu site are content reach and trusted so user trust on link back from .edu sites.
     
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  17. kailyn_morgan

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    #77
    if you are making a education website then it is definitely useful.. otherwise people might consider your website as a spam...
     
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  18. kh7

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    #78
    Right - I'm going to show some of my surprisingly popular pages/sites and have all the others in that competitive space copy them... I do think a few things I said above weren't stressed enough though:

    - the page in question WAS linked from high trust other pages within the site. I don't think a page that just hangs in thin air, without links from that same website (or somewhere else) can rank. So a .edu page that doesn't have a link from say the 'these are our students' page (or something) doesn't have a chance at ranking, unless it does have links from elsewhere on the web.
    - those internal pages were NOT on the topic of that page, or even close (though as it became successful I did elaborate on the theme and created more along those lines).
     
    kh7, Sep 26, 2007 IP