............Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the military, said in a note on the military's Web site, that "our nation has been watching the behavior of centers of evil who systematically try to corrode the secular nature of the Turkish Republic."................ The statement from the military, which seized power from civilian governments three times in past decades, was issued to mark the 85th anniversary on Aug. 30 of a military victory that was crucial for the establishment of modern Turkey............http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070827/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey And you know what if most Turks want Islamic country, but the military stops the Islamists from getting the power it means that the military acts with undemocratic means. Any country with muslim majority will face sooner or later the threat of being ruled by Islamists and with them come sharia, islamic codes, fanatics ..... Turkey is not ready for EU IMO. The west does not want Islamic governments, but at the same time it is undemocratic to stop them from coming in power through the generals. The military might be acting very soon on the streets in Turkey.
Ly2 is right. Leninism, in all its variants, works as a means to take over. In Iran, the ulama were smart enough to realize they didn't need to win the mass in a tidal wave of insurgent feeling; rather, the mosques, and the surrounding hubs of power, were loci able enough to coopt the young, mobilized intelligentsia in the Universities. Grab these hubs, grab the nation.
These reporters make these news like this to make it more interesting i guess. According to public polls, those who want to live under sharia law in Turkey is lower than 10%, which is somewhat fair in a country with over 95% Muslim population. Though Turkey's geography requires more active military, those who are neighbours with 1-2 million peacefull little EU countries can't really figure what it's like to be neighbours with countries like Syria, Iraq and Iran at the same time. So military surely gets involved as well as the secret services against those who targets to destabilize Turkey. There's nothing going on undemocratic in that terms. About EU, i'm sick of it. I hope the negotiations end(and we don't get in) for good as soon as possible.
Well firstly, EU support in Turkey went down to %40-45 range from 65-70% in the last 5 years. Mainly because the negotiations have too many double standards(tons of details about this) and people lost the faith that we'll ever get in. Whatever you do, there's always more to be asked for. Who wants to join somewhere where they made feel unwelcomed? I certainly do not. I am not saying everything is perfect in Turkey, but neither are most of the current and nor were most of the recent members.
If all Turks were like you I would vote for them anytime. What spoils things for Turkey are the Islamic fanatics that even if turks can manage to suppress in Turkey they may slip from Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. and do terrorists acts in EU. You don't need hundreds of people to do a mass damage. Just a handful of them can cause extensive damage. All they need to is to get in Turkey. They don't even need a Turkish passport or a Turkish Personal ID to go anywhere in EU just like everyone in US can go in any state without papers. Islam is not a liberal religion like Budhism or Christianity for example. And as such it won't exist peacefuly with democracy for long without chalenging it. Every now and then Islamist will try to get the power and after taking it imposing Islamic rule like the one in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait ....... I wish Turks live in a democratic and free country.
Here is how: Ex-Islamist Gul elected Turkey's president ANKARA (Reuters) - Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul was elected president by Turkey's parliament on Tuesday, the first former Islamist to take the post in the secular but predominantly Muslim country's modern history.............The Islamist-rooted AK Party has 341 seats in the 550-seat chamber. Two other candidates also stood for president............He pledges to be a leader for all Turks, but he is not to the taste of a military that suspects the AK Party of harboring a secret Islamist agenda........... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070828/ts_nm/turkey_president_dc
That's quite of an exaggeration actually. Delusion comes from; the politic-islamist image around the world is that the extreme revolutionary form, which does not take place here in Turkey. Turkey is a big example that shows Muslims can live in democracy(almost a hundred years so far). The fear of the trendy Islamist extremism make those people think that way. When in fact they could be easily banned from the elections or a military coup could have taken place if there was such threat or an issue about democracy. This is not the first time an Islamic oriented party is in charge in Turkey but it does not affect the daily life unlike the foreign media wants to make it seem. In their 5 years of government they made a good job in economy and they got re-elected. If they do not, they will step off, as it happened before. My point is; we do not have an ideological issue as promoted, but well, it'd not be "news" if said so. Christian Democrat Party be in charge in Germany does not turn Germany into some form of Saudi Arabia, does it?
It also doesn't hurt if the ruler of the country is a weak man and dying from cancer and USA strategy at the time is to build a green line of Islamic countries in front of the Red danger from Soviet. Many of those "Religious" people who took the power and had minister jobs in Khomeini time, moved directly from USA to Iran to get their new job. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920313,00.html He was an agent of Iran secret service and by proxy an agent of CIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadegh_Ghotbzadeh It seems the "revolution" in Iran was exported from USA to Iran. The real political opposition in Iran and armed struggle against Shah's government was in it's weakest point when the regime changed.
You (or rather, your proxy friend who appears to me to post on this) and I have gone over this before (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=181319&highlight=ulama&page=2), Gworld, and you (or your pal) are merely repeating your earlier point of view. I won't waste my time with you on this. Anyone interested can see for themselves.
So you had nothing to say and you still have nothing to say but you just keep repeating something that doesn't make sense. Some insignificant religious leader living in Iraq that nobody cared about for 15 years, all of sudden is moved to Paris. A strong powerful marketing team that wages propaganda war and has the possibility to print in the morning in France and distribute in the afternoon in Iran while the Iran's government and military can not do anything to stop them. The key personnel of the future government are moved from USA to Paris to enter with Khomeini to Iran while Army refuses to fight. You are right, how can this be anything but the will of God and the evil plans of Muslims?
Your attempt to mislead by lying is facile. As I have said from the beginning, I don't think it has a thing to do with Islam, with god, or religion at all. Please don't play your usual childish games with me. It doesn't work. And if you are trying to gain the ear of others, I couldn't care less, as people are free to read for themselves.
Good god. Here, I'll refresh you, although you artfully play stupid. Or, really are, just that limited. Power. Not god, not Islam. Power. A secular concern, though it may be festooned with all kinds of myth to validate its naked premise. You first leap to accusing me of blaming it all on rabid muslims, or some such b.s., then you disingenuously play dumb when I have already blatantly stated I believe no such thing. Nice try.
You are trying so hard to sit on the fence all the time that is really difficult to know what you believe or you don't believe. In real life you have to take a stand on issues and not generalize about everything in order to sound like an intellectual. The subject of this thread is about a take over of Turkey government by military because of the "danger of Islamic movement", do you agree with a military take over or not?