Well, noobody says that there's a direct effect of PR to SERPs. But there's defenitely a effect of PR to your "trust". 1.) Set up website with 100 sub pages, 3 levels deep link structure. 2.) Buy a couple of PR7+ links 3.) => all your pages are in the primary index (I've done this with more than 100,000 sub pages and more than 90% are in the primary index). Try the same with a couple of PR1 links...
Google has internal PR that is updated daily. The PR that you see in the toobar is a snapshot of your PR that was taken a few months ago and is updated a few times a year. So at best, the pr that you see in the toolbar is a few months out of date. Thats the #1 reason you shouldn't be pr loco. Trust + keywords + link = Good ranking
Correct and as I said I dont trust those high PR sites to make it through the year without the business they have been generating. Do you honestly think the owners are going to keep feedng the cash cow if the milk dries up? Are you suggesting that one PR7 link is responsible for getting 100,000 internal sub pages indexed? Tell me how many pages I got indexed on an empty directory at www.coombsview.com . I used half a dozen links on pages that had no PR, not even PR 0.
No - as I mentioned above - "a couple of PR7+ links" were enough to get 100,000+ pages into the primary cache. I think you got not more than 6 pages in the primary index (and a couple in supplemental index) for that directory. It's not hard to get all pages indexed - unless it's recognized as DC almost all pages are indexed sooner or later. The problem is getting pages into the primary index (and this is the only way into SERPs).
Remember folks, its all about quality, quantity helps as well, but what really counts is only a handfull of pr6+ links...
I think you are wrong about the supplemental index. From what I have seen this is a timing difference at worst. Links in the supplemental index do get counted. Those pages are indexed. They are also spidered but not as regularly as the primary index. Granted that there is no PR but who really cares. I would also suspect that some get counted and not others but from what I can see, working with free directories on a daily basis, the supplemental index is not the bogeyman people make it out to be. Agreed. And you dont need to spend $200 a year for one high PR link to do it. All that gets you in my mind is faster results. That directory has been picked up and most of the top tier categories have been indexed and work. The reason its not in the primary index is because Google recognises the fact that its an empty directory. But that does not mean its been penalised. Its just an empty directory and that will change as we begin to populate it with unique and original content. Last time I looked it was clocking #1 in the serp's for a few uncompetitive search strings which surprised me as I still carry a chip on my shoulder from the bad old days of the sandbox.
The problem is that pages in supplemental index appear in the SERPs after pages in the primary index. So actually a page in the supplemental index (almost) never appears in the SERPs
Thats not a problem if you are submitting your site to a directory for the value of the back link it passes on. It would be a different story if you are lookng for traffic but which directory outside a recognised niche directory passes any quality traffic?
This thread is based on a wrong premise. Google is a powerful company that is here to stay for a long time. They made pagerank a very important commodity. Webmasters go crazy about pagerank and Google would want to hide it suddenly? I don't think so. In the newly updated Google directory you can see new pr values, so the pagerank is still displayed. You can read more about it http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=452663
Its not PR that worries them. Its the way its been used and abused. Thats what they are putting a stop to. PR has little or no value and it will be interesting to see what they come up with
Little or no value? that's a bunch of pepperoni. Pr is here to stay. Will popeople abuse it? Sure. But people abuse search engines in a number of ways. Selling links is the least harmful. If you're willing to pay for a specific anchor then your site is surely about that topic. Much worse is link building through free directories - this produces a lot of Internet spam.
Are you buying or selling links? Its a tough market right now. But please explain where is the value in PR? To a buyer or a seller? Is it, in the fact that once you have paid for your slice you can collar the next sucker and persuade them that can do the same? Just how many directry owners are there? Are you not going to run out of players or is there another one born every day?
I sell but... You seem to be saying that pr only matters if you sell or buy links. This is BS. I run a pr7 website and i see how pr affects the SERP's. I don't have to seo my site for various keywords I'm high in serps in a very natural way. Whoever claims that pr doesn't really matter is a nut case (no offense) who never had a high pr site. Sure it is your right to disseminate this nonsense but that doesn't make it correct.
Have you tried using the free directories? Makes no difference at all. PR has little or no impact on the serp's. Google might have intended it to be used for that purpose but it got so bent out of shape they are busy changing feet. What is the site you run? It would be interesting to see which key words you are ranking for.
BS - there's been NO update in over 3 months... save it for dorks who believe you.... Otherwise STFU troll.
It might be true that there are new PR values in the Google Directory (although it uses a different scale than 0..10 - the PR bar in the directory is based on the exact value 0.00 to 10.00 - so it's hard to say what the bar shows exactly) but this has nothing to do with the PR export. The directory displays the PR for domz listed sites only and it's for a SITE, not for a PAGE. For webmasters and SEOs it's important to get the PR of any PAGE. The last PR export is 4 month ago - this is quite different from the last export, isn't it?