Bypassing the sandbox

Discussion in 'Google' started by darksat, Aug 20, 2007.

  1. #1
    Alright, lets say you knew how to do it.
    Would you tell?

    Lets say that this you have temporal link analysis nailed down, you know the numbers, you have the maths, you can blow it right open.

    How long before Google changes the game yet again.

    Release it into the wild? surely not (and dont call me shirley)

    How long till the game changes, how long till new ratios are applied, would google mess up its own algo in order to keep the game in motion.



    :D
     
    darksat, Aug 20, 2007 IP
  2. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    I dont really believe in the "sandbox" and rank sites right off the mark. I do however believe in fatal mistakes by the webmaster that can have lasting effects.
     
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    darksat Guest

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    What people call the sandbox is due to a number of factors in the google algo.
    Its a byproduct that prevents sites ranking due to filters that combat artificial link building techniques.
     
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    akdiver Well-Known Member

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    #4
    I agree slow and steady SEO ranks well in google with no sandbox effects. When you go hard and early i think googles sandbox will take effect. But your right every time you think yuo have figured out this SEO thing google changes the playing field and so it should if its trying to get the most relevan results.
     
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    The sandbox is a figment of peoples imagination. If you build a site correctly, and promote correctly there is no period of flux or loss of rankings. I have over 2,000 domains as evidence of this.
     
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    Are you saying the "sandbox" theory is an urban legend? cool!
     
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    save Active Member

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    None of my domains are ever sandboxed, maybe it is because I never bother about linking to them but I concentrate on building a website and content and let the links happen naturally. I have purchased a couple of domains second hand though that never get indexed & these were most likely banned by Google by the last owner misusing them.
     
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    How will you know if you are banned by google?
     
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    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    #9
    there is noway to bypass the sandbox.

    it's a period that every web site must pass.
     
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    So it's true?
     
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    sweetfunny Banned

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    How can you say "every website must pass" when just about every domain i own doesn't encounter any problems?
     
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    #12

    Wrong! Try again ;)
     
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    Dave E Well-Known Member

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    #13
    The sandbox is very real, the best way to get out of it quickly is to linkbait on a regular basis, sites that attract links from blogs on a regular basis will be released much quicker, a couple of 1st page stories on Digg will easily do it. Unfortunately most all my clients have commercial websites, some are governed by the FSA, others are just very corporate, making linkbaiting impossible. The only white hat way to go with these sites is submitting them to directories, in days gone by I have got sites out in 4 months, however it seems to be taking longer these days, I don't think directories are as good what they used to be. Here is a good article:

    http://seoarticles.seoforgoogle.com/google-trustrank.cfm

    The only thing I would add to it is a Dmoz, Yahoo and Business.com listing (these really help) a long with lot's of other high quality directory listings, a bit of reciprocating as well but not too much, 15-25 good quality link partners is about right.
     
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    I never experience it, no matter what keyphrases i'm targeting.
     
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    Dave E Well-Known Member

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    What a load of rubbish! How come this site (digajax.com) doesn't rank for Ajax stuff? The sandbox only prevents you from ranking for competitive phrases.
     
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    That site isn't even cached lol, it's an experiment. Did you check things like "SEO Company" and see me in #5 or "SEO" and around #30. The domain had nothing on it 6 months ago, and is well under a year old yet beating leaders in the field. I was beating SEOmoz for "SEO", but slipped to currently 10 behind them as i've done nothing. Still beating Aaron Walls SeoBook.com for "SEO" on Google.com.au which is what engine i'm targeting.

    SEO or SEO Company not competative enough? If it isn't let me know something that is and no doubt i've got a sub 6 month site sitting on page one for the niche.

    Please don't pick a domain i bought a couple of days ago for testing, that isn't even cached.
     
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  17. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #17
    You have to earn trust in Google, people expect to rank when they don't deserve to.
     
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    #18
    Depending on my experience with Google Sandbox:
    Get more links to your sandboxed website and target relevant website with anchor text mixed but not exact to your sandboxed keywords and you will get recovered usually within 2-6 months.
     
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    Yeah, i agree :) Every new site passes through this phase and the period for sandbox may differ from site to site depending on our efforts at SEO.
     
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    Actually its not something you have to pass through.
    Its more like a devaluation of your efforts depending on how spammy you have been with your SEO techniques.
    I have a very good write up on how it works.
    I will be sharing it on a portion of my forum soon.
     
    darksat, Aug 29, 2007 IP