World's perception of the US as the superpower

Right next to the part where it says that only Congress can authorize a war by passing a Declaration of War. Which they did not in Iraq. Or Vietnam.

Shouldn't an American be able to "hide" behind the Constitution and the rule of law? I wasn't kidding the other day when I suggested that it is you who is anti-american. The only thing you hold up as proof of your patriotism is support for this war. Not our history, not our values and not our rights.

So now a joke is support for the enemy? Perhaps I should look for a UN resolution against AGS so I can go to war against him with your support. Seems based upon your inability to respond that you are a big fan of bypassing the American people and law of the land to support the military agenda of foreign interests.

You keep spinning it off topic. From what I have read, as possibly your biggest P&R fan, you've never ever admitted any wrong doing on Bush's part. But you're more than happy to drag Clinton through the mud. I voted for the former, not the latter, and yet it's blatant hypocrisy that is what gets people posting back to you enmasse.

If you would adopt a degree of moderation, even on one topic like the economy, instead of posting any rhetoric to defend your indefensible stances, it's probably be easier going because folks could relate to your views as thought out, even when they disagree. But instead, you plunge headlong down this path of dancing, evading and misinforming, which I know you are far too intelligent and self aware to truly believe.

It's seems that you are more committed to proving you are right, than being right. And it's an important distinction.

Good debate tonight. I learned a lot, and my love for you has not waned in the least.

 

Three on one. I'd say four, cause I know gstring is out there just dying to get his anti-American "cheerleader" quotes in, but I have him on ignore.

But, as long as he hates GWB and is against the war, even if he supports the terrorists in Iraq, even if he's never said a good word about America...he'll get a pass. Only those who support America don't get a pass

 

But you think our troops should stay in Iraq...

This isn't complicated, think "transitive property"

You want troops to stay in iraq
Troops in iraq are getting killed
You want US troops to get killed...

If by defeat, you actually mean withdrawal (and staying alive), then yes, I believe most do...

 

So you are suggesting that democrats and republicans were not authorized to authorize the use of force against Iraq? Heh!

Please, spare me of the RP "you can't say anything bad about RP because he supports the Constitution" rhetoric. No where in the Constitution does it suggest defeat is what Americans should hope for.

AGS gets a pass, remember? He doesn't like GWB and wants terrorists to win in Iraq. Meaning he hopes for an American defeat like you. Isn't that all that matters?

You take exception with me. I don't see you taking any other exceptions here. Food for thought, big boy.

Oh, good grief! Is that all it's about? That old partisan trick that "surely GWB must be guilty of something?" You need to read more of my posts. I've nailed Bush on a number of things here. What a lame, last resort tactic! I thought you were more seasoned than that old crap!

Right. America sucks, our economy is great, but it sucks. More high paying jobs are being created, but I should just say they are burger king jobs. GWB sucks. He lies, except for WMD. Yeah, yeah I know the drill. Sorry, I'm not interested in conformity or giving passes to those who call for Jewish genocide. I'll leave that to you. You're doing a heck of a job there, brownie

If only I hated GWB and wanted defeat for America! Then I could be one of the gang!

As long as it's not the kind of love gworld has for kids, we're fine

And with that, I'll let everyone else have the last word against that naughty old GTech who refuses to sell his country out. At best, I kept you nuts at bay, but I learned a lot about how to get passes for highly questionable statements. Just not ready to commit them yet.

'Night boys.

 

GTech.....rhetoric.....Pot.....Kettle.....Black.

 

hi,

I am always puzzled about people saying French hate US
So, I guess now this common conviction belongs to the stereotypes, like the one saying we wear beret, eat frog and blablabla ...
Off course, we don't hate you since we belong to the same family, having the same roots but we have to agree to disagree.

Regards
Thibaut

 

The constitution is meant to restrain the government, and prevent the executive from going to war without authorization. Authorizing the "use of force" allowed the executive to step outside the boundaries of what is governed by the constitution. There was an excellent constitutional debate on hd.net (see the site) moderated by Dan Rather on the subject. I suggest you check it out.

What I keep writing/asking, is where specifically you find flaws in Paul's position. Because his position is typically based on the constitution, many times when you're mocking his stance or degrading his character, you're actually attacking rule of law policy.

You can say anything bad about RP you want. You can say he is a weak public speaker. You can say he's too old. You can say he doesn't have the necessary resources, experience or popular support.

But when you attack his stance on issues, many times, you're arguing against what many feel is intrinsic to being American, and that is the rule of law, individual freedom (not only collective freedom from terrorism) and liberty (from domestic and foreign governmental interference).

How did you know I am a big boy?

I don't hope for an American defeat. I hope to save American lives and repair the damage the war has done to our economy as quickly as possible. I hope to put an end to warantless wire tapping American citizens while Bin Laden sunbathes in Pakistan.

You've nailed Bush on a number of things? I've never read it. Feel free to provide links. Unless it's a straw man, like the links to your reason why you won't serve in the war. I'm still waiting for those.

It amazes me how you can dial up AGS and GWorld posts, but can't find your own.

The economy is not great GTech. That's the one that I have trouble believing that you are being intellectually honest about.

There is historical precedent that fiat money systems collapse and that we may well be in the early stages of that.

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That's a great idea. We need a name, so we can get all partisan here in P&R. You got your crazy/nixon gang, I was thinking some like minded individuals here might be interested in forming a Justice League of America.

Is it possible to be erotic but not sexual?

In your rush to be the "most righteous" you've actually done what you claim to oppose so vehemently.

Selling out America is not arguing for rule of law. Desiring economic and political soveriegnty is not selling out America. Selling out America is creating reasons and excuses to send your fellow Americans (and the fruits of the labor of the American people) to a far away land to fight a foreign power's political agenda, and to promote the commercial interest of the few.

 

Surely you are not complaining about having a few members onto you are you GT?

Now you know exactly how we feel when there are usually 5 members of the crazy gang onto us.

 

Hmm.. Kind of sounds like the ratio of Americans that don't support the Iraq war ...

 

The change we saw in America after 9/11 is seen very postively in India. Prior to cold war we considered US as our enemy but now we consider US as friend. We see so many common things with US one being the largest democracy and another a victim of radicalism. Before 9/11 India used to tell US that radcalism was not in interest of anybody but US used to tell us that it is the freedom of speech and practise. I am happy that they understood what is good and evil . I understand that while stemming the evil one can be looked as villian too as the subject is so complicated that it cannot be dealt only under the shades of " Human right voilation".Till the point it serves the humanity in the longer run, we can and should live with it. Better late than never

 

What kind of hats do you wear?