Is it rewarding to be a dmoz editor

I guess the topic kind of shifted, but I'm trying to answer you as I see your questions or posts.

This came from Nea, from Resource Zone

Link here
http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47985&page=3

And here
http://www.directoryjunction.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425

It is the total opposite of what you just described.

Actually the average user does get exposed to sites listed in yahoo, cause they are pulled up along with their web search.

And the average user does know what business.com is as I along with alot of other people do use the business.com search and have been doing for quite a few years now.

 

And when I go to the hedge shop the pipes they sell are for "tobacco use only" so I do appoligize...you are correct

I've never been to it, in fact, I only recently heard about it when it went up for sale for some ungoddly figure. Though I must say, that DMOZ has much more public recognition. If for no other reason then it's on nearly every web blog to submit to, as well as listed as something for Google... in fact, it used to be listed on the google main pages for a search option.

And you are correct. People that use Yahoo are exposed to their directory... all 3% of my incoming traffic may find it useful.

 

Well have you ever searched for businesses? Are you based out of the United States.

Business.com is very famous and is used by many, many people everyday looking for business sites, beyond webmasters.

They have an audience base of over 20 million visitors per month.

I don't know about the percentage which you just stated, but being exposed proves its usefullness.

Sites listed in dmoz then are pretty much never exposed if it is the webmasters browsing it.

I mean a site based on female cooking listed in dmoz may have no concern to the webmaster.

If it were listed in Yahoo, it would get that exposure which you mentioned from their search.

I think I've pretty much made my point clear.

Dmoz is not really a valuable resource if people are not using it.

It's basically sitting there collecting dust.

 

Sadly you made you point in the wrong thread thread so it's lost in all the confusion.

Though, I hope you've been paying attention to all the other points brought up by those that have actually edited or still edit, in that there is some reward in being an editor, and that it's apparently not all that unlike being a journalist... no wait, that was one of your other points that really had nothing to do with Editing for DMOZ (or DMOZ for that matter).

 

Got that from your crystal ball did you?

And did you alos look into the ball to see who uses and how they use on the sites which take the rdf dump?

DMOZ are looking for someone who can really crystal ball gaze, but perhaps you had better not apply, your balls seem to suddenly have gone misty.

 

No I didn't. There are ways to analyze stuff. People which have their sites listed in dmoz boast no traffic boosts by it or by the rdf data.

That is 1 good analysis right there.

Most people I have come across never use dmoz to find sites.

That is another analysis right there.

dmoz is not a specialized directory like business.com, ali baba, manufacturers.com.tw so it does not have a pre-decided audience base by topic or subject.

Your resource zone is flooded mainly by rhetoric of how to get their site listed or why don't you have a way to check for site statuses.

This is the case with visitors visiting your site as well, mainly checking to see where they should submit their site.

Regional sites listed, lets say for india, or china or pakistan, won't be looked up in dmoz, but natives usually will go to their own country portals to find sites pertaining to their own country.

If you want to list your site in a quality directory, I would suggest Yahoo directory much over dmoz.

Sites will be exposed when people do search queries using the Yahoo search engine, even if they don't traverse those categories.

Plus Yahoo is the busiest site on the internet.

Another directory which is good is business.com, it is 10 times busier then dmoz and mainly has visitors searching for businesses, if your site is an ecommerce or non informational site.

 

Did you deliberately or accidentally ignore the myriad downstreamers, like the Google directory, but many others that use DMOZ material.

Or have you not got the balls for that?

edit to add

PS Does Buisness.com carry links like this I found in Linkspub

"Spiritual Advice
Indiana based spiritual counseling and advice service by a seminary educated, ordained pastor for seekers.
www.abebooks.com"

Which seems to be a counseling service at Abebooks who sell books?

 

The AbeBooks Title & Descriptions are misprints and I will change them shortly.

That rdf data which you talk about, whether it be used in Google Directory, DomainTools directory
or any other directory whatsover hasn't shown to be beneficial to the sites in regards to traffic.

I think I explained very carefully in my previous post why dmoz doesn't come even close to be the
resource it wants to be.

Now here comes another dilemna.

How do editors select the sites to list in dmoz?

Well basically there is that submit form, for which your moderator nea says 'we don't provide any services to the webmaster and the webmaster is not our customer'

So the task remains for editors to find sites to insert into this dmoz?

Well this is done basically by using search engines, Google, Yahoo & MSN.

So what have you brought new to the table?

You are basically listing sites into your dmoz, which are searchable by search engines.

How many sites do you have, which are authentic, or not yet to be found in search engines or other resources?

Whatever an editor has done to find a site to list in dmoz? the so called surfer or browser which dmoz is made to help find information, uses those same methods & enjoys it more to find the same and better information.

PS Does Buisness.com carry links like this I found in Linkspub

Yes it does, and alot of other quality sites and authentic resources.

Another note on criticizing my linkspub, how does one find mortage related sites from UK domains in your dmoz?

In my linkspub, a simple search query pulls up the results

mortgage .uk


try it

 

DMOZ can do that too. Let's say that you are looking for teen porn, a simple search query pulls up the results for

teen porn

try it and you will notice that many of the results are made of the same template and are just cookie cutter doorway pages to affiliate sites. It makes you wonder who has added all these "same" quality sites, doesn't it?

try it.

 

Yep they really suck, bunch of broken or affiliate links even so-called free photos have barely any photos... I'll probably have ten times better photos of hundred times better looking females (and poptalk's photos for female visitors ) when my photography portal gets its own dedicated server.

It is amazing how Automatic Quality Control Robot removes my links but misses this junk as if someone has programed it not to touch does.

 

Some of the admins and Metas are suppose to be middle aged women, may be it is home made production.

 

The editor partly relies on his/her own searches and partly on submissions. But have you looked at Google results? Just junk and half sentences that make little sense, sometimes the editor will wade through pages of Google junk that is not readable and difficult to know if it is what you want, to find a couple of sites. So we have saved the surfer from needing to do that. I would have thought that useful to the surfer. I would always prefer a well written human description to a machine selected bits of writing that often don't link together.

Does mortgage.uk link to abebooks too

 

You do drugs don't you?

Blessed be...

They either give me the Description a DMOZ editor wrote, or the line that has searched keyword.

In many cases when I am looking for something specific, it's the line with the keyword that will pull me into a site over the silly overly generic ODP description.

Maybe your trouble lies in those that use the NOODP meta tag, which by the many posts of webmasters in here I too would get confused

 

Actually you didn't answer my question.

Which basically was

1)What new does dmoz bring to the table which helps surfers or browsers find resources, (sites).

2)Why would a potential surfer looking for information go to dmoz.org to find the information which he wants?

3)How does the surfer find mortgage sites in the .uk domain which are easily found in linkspub by doing a specialized search in the form of mortgage .uk


The Google results which you are calling junk & half sentences can be controlled by the site owner. He just has to do his own learning on how to do this.

Also in other words are you trying to explain to the public that the purpose dmoz serves is to enhance Google half sentences. I never checked but I would say a considerable amount of sites will use the NOODP operator.

Also, I still couldn't understand what you meant by mortage .uk linking to abebooks.

 

1. Offers sites grouped together by a human editor rather than a machine and offers an independent description of the site to give the surfer chance to decide if s/he wants to view it.
2.Because sites are grouped together by humans and not by machines and carry independent descriptions.
Because I have repeated this twice, you might be interested in this document published by Microsoft Research and contains the following
"A second guideline speaks to the desirability of present-
ing the user with a readable snippet: When query terms are
present in the title, they need not be repeated in the snip-
pet. In particular, when a high-quality query-independent
summary is available from an external source, such as a
Web directory, it may be more appropriate to display this
summary than a lower-quality query-dependent fragment se-
lected on-the-fly"
http://research.microsoft.com/~ryenw/papers/ClarkeSIGIR2007.pdf
Which supports that surfers prefer descriptions.
3. Depends on where you live, but this contains a few sites
http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe...inancial_Services/Personal_Finance/Mortgages/
and certainly a few more than linkspub.

I checked your directopry last time, I randomly looked for a link and was shocked when the first link I looked at was to abebooks which had nothing to do with the title and description, especially after this on the front page
"Currently there are 1951 websites in the, daily updated, quality controlled directory,"

What lies. I cheked one link and it was useless and missdirected, I hate to think how many more. And people pay for this

 

I wonder how many feel the same about the ODP...

 

Doesn't every other directory LOL

Your search engine pdf file doesn't mention the word dmoz but uses the term 'web directory' which could mean any web directory. But it does go on and mention Yahoo kids homepge.

Like I said, descriptions can be controlled by the site owner.

Also, basically are you now trying to prove to the public that dmoz is a search engine aid?

I see this as a conflict of what dmoz perceives to be and what it actually is in reality.

But there are soooooooooo many other directories out there that function as search engine aids as well, and they are pretty good at it too.

So still you failed to prove to us what is authentic, unique, special about dmoz.

Lets take other directories for example

Business.com, lists business sites.

Ali Baba, directory and portal to connect Chinese businesses with the world.

Manufacturers.com.tw

Yahoo directory, similar but has a very active search and sites listed are exposed in their search results.

Linkspub.com lists business sites and can search country specific domain extensions.

So where does dmoz fit in to this roast beef w/cheese sandwhich?


http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe...inancial_Services/Personal_Finance/Mortgages/

And how many people are going to traverse those categories?

Now see if you can find me pest control companies from the .au domain in ur dmoz LOL

then I'll give u another excercise after that.

 

It's not the end of the world, really being just a normal editor means you edit a very specific category, one so small it gets no submissions so you have to go around and find sites to submit your self. If you had control over more sub categories then it could be more interesting.

 

Its really rewarding if you want to play dirty, by selling approval.

 

"
Now see if you can find me pest control companies from the .au domain in ur dmoz LOL

then I'll give u another excercise after that."

No you won't don't play silly games, have some important editing in ODP to do. ODP is the biggest human edited directory and covers almost any topics many of the ones you name are pale copies and like yours, (you do have a very small one) has duff links, despite the magnificent words on the front page. If you spent more time there than on here you would have found that and all the other wrong or broken links. Go and play somewhere else.

Brennan, glad you are enjoying your editing, don't forget add some sites for neighbouring cats in your bookmarks and then ask to edit the cat. If you have not already done so, ask for a cat check in the forums. Enjoy your editing.