nope, I don't think I am...what I am suggesting is that those that hate the bush administration are the only ones that think this way...they constantly take things out of context, as proven not only in this thread but in many other threads as well.
Other then you and lorien1973, who else has been talking about Bush? To me it seems some people are trying to change this into a "you hate bush, you're wrong" argument, when that's not what it is... There's also a difference between hate and disappointment...
it was a joke...it is proof that saddam had those that oppose him killed...that is what he was on trial for...however, the liberal idiots always come back to "Bush has killed Millions", which in fact is incorrect...not only has "millions" not been killed, but the majority are killed by suicide bombers, not US troops...
not sure that is a mutual conclusion...physically, someone wins...someone comes out as the victor and someone comes out as the loser.
Just because one country gets to write the history books, does that mean they "won"? What about the soldier with "boots on the ground" that has lost buddies, did he "win"? I would suggest that he lost something, as did his buddies...
Of course it does. There is simply no such thing as "preventative war" - the term itself is an oxymoron. Riiiggghhhtt.... Not almost, it definitely is. As always.
And yet, sadly, you believe that this was a war of pre-emption, huh? Did you actually read this or just provide a link? Don't be so sure about that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi#Attacks_inside_Iraq You can quibble over the number all you want; that's fine and pointless. But let's admit that Saddam was responsible for the deaths of many many thousands of his own people; and people who supported him at that time are the partly the ones who are killing Iraqi citizens today, aren't they? Add to that AQ in Iraq and you have yourself a lot of fun stuff going on, don't ya? I see, again, that you are passing blame from the people doing the killing (insurgents and AQ) and putting that onto the US. Congrats. I thought I gave you a good opportunity there, but I'm not surprised you over looked that. You can keep saying "it does" - but it doesn't. This quote clearly relates to nuclear pre-emption. Can you grasp this?
AQ absolutely loves the fact that we are over there... Not only do they get to do pretty much whatever they want with all the choas - but we also bolster their ranks in a huge way. And once again clearly it does relate to the state our country is in today - nuclear or not. Can you grasp this?
I sure do. Did you feel your life was threatened before we invaded Iraq in '03? I guess you're smarter then the bi-partisan 9/11 commission that ... Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/ You were wrong. You presented inaccurate information and posted it as facts. People that do that lose credibility, now how can I be sure anything you post is true? But I guess you're allowed to do that, when you're wrong, it's not important; right? I do know what's going on, I was there... I'm not saying Saddam wasn't a horrible murderous dictator, but I can't believe that you think there are less iraqi civilian deaths now then the last few years before the invasion... Actually, I can believe you would post that you think there are less iraqis dying now, because we've already established that you're fine with posting completely incorrect information... (see above) Now you're realizing that what I'm saying makes sense, so you're resorting back to trying to associate me as anti-American, even though I'm not only a patriot, but a veteran... Nice job...
Awesome points and you're 100% correct. On the other hand you're a complete fool if you think you've taught this guy anything at all
It's an irrelevant point. How did the 1991 war end - there was no peace treaty, there was a ceasefire? Did Saddam comply with the ceasefire? No he did not. Therefore, the ceasefire was voided. There was no pre-emption here. It's not rocket science. Acknowledging this doesn't mean you agree with Bush (or the war), so its quite okay to accept the reality here. I'm sorry that if you do not see the evidence before your eyes. AQ was in Iraq before the war. They probably did not have contact or ties with Saddam, but they were there. Not many (rational) people doubt this. Acknowledging this doesn't mean you agree with Bush (or the war), so its quite okay to accept the reality here. Where do I make this claim that less are dying now? I don't believe I did, did I? I'm saying that once we are gone, Iraqi's will (hopefully) have a chance to not see another (your number) 800,000 of themselves exterminated by a dictator and live under a better system. I'm sorry if you don't like that possibility. I'm also saying the people that are doing the killing (old saddam supporters and AQ) are the ones who were doing the killing before and are still currently doing it. Yet you immediately cast dispersion on this country instead of where it belongs - the people who blow up schools, blow up hospitals, markets and use retarded kids as bombs. Have you anything bad to say about them yet? You continue to attempt to make the point (even though you deny it) that the americans are roughly equivolent to the people who do the above. Did I say you were anti-american? If your immediate thoughts to my replies is that "he's calling me anti-american" - then perhaps your own analysis of your views tells you that. I can't help you in that regard.
That's sad, I think you actually believe in what you're talking about... I'm just glad the majority of American's disagree with you on most counts... PS, Let's not forget that you provided false information, and presented it as fact... Then tried to dismiss it... Haha, yeah... When I'm discussing things like this in person, they are normally open-minded enough to admit mistakes, fallacies, or atleast be open to another's point of view... But on here, they provide false information, appeals to emotion, and repeat the same phrases again and again... Some of these people are going to be pissing and moaning all the way through our next Clinton era, talking about how they hate Clinton, and not even realize how hypocritical they are being after accusing others of hating Bush...
got proof the majority of americans disagree, or are you trying to make up facts again? actually, I think this is more of your tactic... when you do this, can I call you out on it? So far, you are doing a great job!
Have you seen the presidents poll numbers lately? 51% = majority... now, how many Americans have little to no faith in the war? Jeez, pay attention! Your posts are so far off-base, I don't even know if you're serious... Check out post #16 by lorien: That's presented as a fact, and is way off base... I'd love to see one... Call me out on something, show the proof that proves me wrong... I was referring to this thread... No one other then Lorien and D16man brought bush into this discussion... It just seems to be a tactic to steer the discussion into other directions...
Man, I can't get over this line, it seems like something my buddies 3 year old would say: "No, you're the doo-doo head"... Seriously, how old are you? If you're going to reply, atleast put some effort into it and back it up with links or proof of some sort... I'd love to see some of you guys in a debate in front of a crowd, you'd do nothing but embarrass yourselves...