Why do muslim follow the sunna more than the Koran?

No one was proving Bible wrong on the basis of Quran. Though i Beleive Quran is true but i will not make a quranic verse as my argument to prove Bible wrong because it does not make the debating sense since the other person is not a beleiver of Quran as I am .

However if we are debating something within muslims where both debaters have belief on Quran, in that case verse from a quran can be presented as an argument.

Make sense?

 

Very True...

 

and vice versa again?

must be some bug in the program, indefinitely loop is not allowed

 

if a muslim want to follow both quran and sunnah, so be it.
if a muslim want to follow only quran not the sunnah, so be it.
is their faith, and I respect that.
after all, they all muslim, and all muslim are brothers and sisters.

 

No wife or mother? No husband or father?

Only brothers and sisters??

 

is my english that bad?

 

It’s not me that contradict, it is your religion that does.

So how can you say that the words of Allah is incomplete, unclear or require further explanation.

If you believe in the divinity of the Quran, then as claimed the Quran is clear and complete. The proof is in the Quran itself, just look at this vesrses:

"He has revealed to you this book fully detailed." 6:114

We did not leave anything out of this book." 6:38

"We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything." 16:89

"We have cited in the Quran every kind of example, but the human being is the most argumentative creature."18:54

If you follow the sunnah with its doubtful historicity then you are not following the words of your god.

It’s the opposite, most problems are caused because of the countless hadith that say the opposite things and contradict each other. I can clarify more this statement should you wish.

Just bear in mind that hadith that we know of today was collected hundreds of years after the death of the prophet. So following the sunnah might be ok had it been authentic!

 

And why Christians only talk about Jesus? Christians do not even acknowledge the Mohammed but muslim do believe in Jesus.

 

Can you bring any proofs that he actually raped women?

 

I have to agree with you why would there be the need to add hundred
of hadiths if the koran was complete? it's a bit like adding abook to a dictionnary because they are missings facts. If the Koran itself claims to be complete why adding anothe book of rule? I like to call the sunna a book of rules really where they tell you from A to Z what you are /aren't supposed to do. and so many of these rules were unheard of in the Koran.

 

I dont know whats it making so hard to understand. Quran is not a LAW Book. Its a guidance and gives basic principles on every aspect of life like Social Issues, economy, Politics, life as an individual and life as a part of a Society, War, Justice etc.....
Then is the Life of Prophet (PBUH) as an example of the implementation of those principles. Islam is not a conservative type religion and thus it opens the door of "Ijtihad" to solve the contemporary issues. But you cant divert form the basic principles set in Quran and Sunnah.

To understand this, lets have the example of Constitution of a country. You have the basic principles in the constitution but "Supreme Court" is one to explain the constitution on different issues. And different judgments of Supreme court on different issues are set an example for later if those issues arises again.

Now the Question of "Authenticity of Hadith" is left. "Hadith" is a complete subject taught in different religious universities and let me assure you that the authenticity of Hadith and preservation of it was the top priority since day one of Islam. There are very strict rules to validate the authenticity of a Hadith. I know why you are getting it hard to believe because its the one of a kind thing in the history of Human Kind but if you study on the mechanism of preservation of Hadith, you will be amazed. I have yet to find a good resource in English on the subject and will present it here.

 

So you have a good knowledge of the hadiths then? Some time ago I posted a thread but got little replies.
I realized that so many things wre forbidden in islam but many muslims don't even know they are forbidden, so does that mean that muslims haven't got a clue about their rleigion or what?

 

COs Muhammed (S.A.V.) is exemplary person for us...and Sunna is not against to Quran.
Sunna is for our pratical life...

 

No I am not an expert.
Yes, its fault of most of the muslims that we follow our religion on the basis of our "beleif" (which is good) but we dont try to understand the logical reason for the different things our religion is saying us to do.( and i am not an exception too.)

But it will be wrong to say that most of the Muslims are clueless about their religion.

I dont remember what thread you are referring to....And again saying that Islam forbids a lot of things is wrong. To what I understand, Islam is more flexible and according to the human nature.

 

Quran command namaz (ritual worship) to all muslims but Dont tell How.So You must learn from Prophete Mohammed (S.A.V) and also Quran is for all ages.not todays...for past and future...So maybe you cannot understand it's message today....So Sunna can help for you.

 

have a look
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=411314

 

I appreciate your way of debate unlike the few others who start their argument with accusation, abusing and insulting others.

 

Thanks for saying this. Now have a look at the link in my previous post and tell me if i am wrong or not. Muslims will say no its not haram because we all do it, but surely that's not a valid argument.

 

Most of the points are well.. laughable but I will give a brief reply to some.

-listening to music

Excessive listening to music is forbidden as it takes the Muslim away from the remembrance of God.

- Having a musical ringtone on your mobile

Definitely not forbidden.

- displaying picture on walls at home

Definitely not forbidden.

-taking photographs of human beings

Not Haram/Forbidden.

-watching television (may be the news but if the presenter is a woman than change channel at once!!)

Some extremists consider this but the majority of the scholars view it as halal (permissible)

-reading magazines: unless all pictures have been removed before

Definitely not haram unless the magazine contains pornographic material.

-playing chess/card/loto and other games

Not Haram.

-for girls to play with dolls

Not Haram.

-msn/chatting is a no no

No no.

-eating in a restaurant where alcohol is served

Not Forbidden. Ofcourse, having alcohol is forbidden.

-having a dog

Dog is considered to be a vile creature. Having a dog inside the house is disliked.

-flying a kite

Not Forbidden.

-For a man to wear gold or silk

Forbidden. The reason being, one should not spend lavishly on him/herself and show off his wealth which Muslims believe is given by Allah. Importance must be given to the poor.

 

Hadith:

Salam ibn Miskin, quoting an old man who witnessed AbuWa'il in a wedding feast, said: They began to play, amuse and sing. He united the support of his hand round his knees that were drawn up, and said: I heard Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud) say: I heard the apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: Singing produces hypocrisy in the heart.

Hadith:
...that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.

Hadith

"He then said: Angels do not enter the house in which there is a picture."

Hadith:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: He who plays backgammon disobeys Allah and His Apostle.



Hadith:

the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Whoever plays games of dice has disobeyed Allah and His Messenger.

Hadith:
The Prophet said, "Whoever swears saying in his oath. 'By Al-Lat and Al'Uzza,' should say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah; and whoever says to his friend, 'Come, let me gamble with you,' should give something in charity."

I agree with you. Especially that the prophet allowed his wife Aishah to play with dolls with her friends.

Though I’m not sure about Barbie!

Since dogs are vile creatures, especialy the black ones with two spots, the prophet had ordered their immediate execution.

Hadith:
Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered to kill dogs, and he sent (men) to the corners of Medina that they should be killed.

Hadith:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.

Hadith:
Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) saying: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered us to kill dogs, and we carried out this order so much so that we also kill the dog coming with a woman from the desert. Then Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) forbade their killing. He (the Holy Prophet further) said: It is your duty the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes), for it is a devil.



Just deny the hadiths athenticity and you'll be alright.