Muslim leaders in India condemn attack on Taslima-and call for an end to free speach

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  1. Lexiseek

    Lexiseek Banned

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    #21
    Insert quote from nearly anyone alive ;)
     
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  2. feeltheheat

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    I still wonder how come some muslims stayed back here during the separation, when we kicked THEM out of our country? Even now when taslima (MUSLIM) was kicked out of her country, who gave her shelter? BTW who wrote against ISLAM? your person! You dont know how to treat ur women. keeping them under the burkha, and all. limiting their freedom. No wonder people around the world dont give you people shit. Iam not kicking out muslims out of our country. We already DID, but some like you stayed back here, still WE respect UR religion. But muslims take advantage of that, and act like barbarians. LOl i really pity ur allah!

    why just you take a look @ faithfreedom.org and decide if ur religion is actually worth following or not?

    In india people dont take ur right from living here peacefully, and btw you should better stay away from here, coz we dont like you, @least me ;)


    I dont go out and fight and show all the people around me that i have got balls and all should be afraid of me, we have got a GOOD culture, unlike urs.. where a 3yr old is given an ak 47 as a birthday gift.


    We dont take steps which causes harm to others! We take decisions keeping in mind what will be its consequences. We just dont go out there and bomb WTC, just to SHOW people we are being PRACTICAL

    When i looked @ this statement, it made my hatred toward muslims even STRONGER you are contradicting ur own statements, that too twice lol, which again proves my point that ur allah didnt give u some brains?

    first you say that you HATE shiv sena for being wrong, and you tell me to join it.. dont you even think before you post. Does a person fight to show how big is balls are? I just showed you by this post that even a keyboard worrier can IN HIS OWN WAY make this world a better place.

    btw i cant AWAKE man inside of me, @least i can pee peacefully, unlike u rubbing a fucking brick to ur crotch!
     
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  3. feeltheheat

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    #23
    We already kicked muslims out of our country to pakistan, but few -love- stayed back!
    I said, to list muslims NOT from india, coz there are NIL in india. Even if there are, they have NOT much contributed, because they were busy reading their namaz 5 times a day. I bet even they hated that :)
     
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  4. Idiot Inside

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    #24
    If you are not looking specifically for Indian Muslims, check this out ..

    20 Islamic inventors/inventions that changed the world.

    2nd link.

    List of Muslim scientists

    Thats just their economical failure. It has nothing to do with Islam.

    GNP of Germany was not $2500bn since ever, Japan was also not at $5,500bn since ancient times.
    Whose fault it was at that time? Was they Muslim country then? And they ditched Islam and their GNP raised?

    Where you read that Islam prevents criticism on new economical theories? Were you read Islam prevents new experiments related to science and economy? Or this is just your personal opinion?
     
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  5. Will.Spencer

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    #25
    No, but Islam is far worse than any other religion.

    Christianity, for example, was just about as bad as Islam -- before the reformation. Islam needs a reformation.

    Christianity is not at war with Hinduism, or Buddhism. Hinduism is not at war with Buddhism or Christianity. Buddhism is not at war with Hinduism or Christianity. But somehow Islam is at war with all three. What is the common factor here?

    For the record, I am an Atheist.


    I'm not sure that I agree with you on that point, because the pattern here is far too strong and clear.

    Not personally, but how about a more interesting compromise?

    Each resident is asked "Will you obey the laws of this nation, even if they conflict with what is written in your holy book?" Those that refuse to obey the laws of the nation get asked to leave.

    What do you think?
     
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    #26
    excellent post!

    BTW did u guys realize that, Taslima is a muslim and she gets kicked out her own islamic country, and no other islamic country was giving her shelter? Who saved her in the END? a democratic country(INDIA).. did u see the beauty of a democratic country?

    We are giving shelter to ur Flesh & Blood, and protecting ur people ... while muslims (barbarians) want to kill their own mother like figure. We are protecting ur person from ur anger in our country. SHAME on u... your religions sucks @$$. All muslims should go to hell for this.
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

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    #27
    The first link contains a list of debunkings pointing out factual errors in the story.

    That list is pathetic. That's all that a BILLION Muslims can come up with? You're proving my point!


    Islam and economic failure seem to always be found together. Yes, partially this can be explained because Muhammad did not understand basic economics and he forbade borrowing and lending for interest. This makes investment and economic growth much harder.

    However, that alone cannot explain the almost 1:1 correlation between Islam and poverty. That can only be explained by Islam's strict reverence for the past and it's complete lack of respect for individuality, change, and progress.

    If it were not for oil, the entire Muslim world would be dirt poor.

    Ask yourself, why were those people able to create prosperity out of nothing and the Muslims are not able to?

    Islam prevents criticism. You can't deny criticism in one area and expect it to flourish in another. By restricting criticism, Islam teaches people not to think for themselves. Islam teaches people to accept what is written as the inarguable truth. This makes change and growth almost impossible.
     
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  8. Idiot Inside

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    I am confused in your hypocritical statements. At one time you say you are good people with good culture, at second time you say you hate Muslims of your country.

    Again you say your India is democracy, then you say Muslims should be kicked out of India.

    Then you say, if you were in Taslima shoes you would be fighting to Muslims .. after that you say no, you don't fight.

    WTF? :confused:

    Either you are the biggest hypocrite on earth or you are 9yr old stupid kid, who just learned typing.

    I am done with you. I don't want to waste my time with someone who don't know what is his point and don't know how to present it.

    Thats all.
     
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  9. The Webmaster

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    #29
    Yes I agree, Islam needs a major reform.

    I get your point, the factor is getting worse everyday, when well educated people like Kafeel try to blow themselves in public on the name of religion..
    But it still isnt as bad as treating every Muslim as terrorist.

    Yepp, I know that by following your posts here..


    Definitely, Anyone living in a country should obey the laws regardless of what their holy book or religion says. Else either Protest in a civilized and peaceful manner or move out of the country..

    Dude, you're full of hate...
    I, myself, am against terrorism caused by Islamic radicals.
    But I know many Muslims very closely to know that they hate it as much as I do.

    Its really Idiotic to ask every Muslim to be kicked out of the country...

    Do you follow Cricket? Do you think Zaheer or Munaf, or Irfan are less Indian than Rahul and Sachin or you and me?
    Do you follow movies? Do you think Salman, Shahrukh, Amir are less Indian than anyone else?
    Do you follow Music? Do you think Ustad Bismillah Khan or Ustad Amzad Ali khan are/were less Indian than anyone else?

    Talk logic dude, Indian history is full of Muslim people contributing their parts in this country as much as everyone else..
     
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  10. feeltheheat

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    #30
    You are just bringing up older topics coz u cant defend ur religion with my previous post!


    again i want you to understand this simple thing, which ur 3yr old cant seem to comprehend.

    "Yes i hate muslims. But you have the right to stay here, coz this is democracy."

    We never separated pakistan from india, muslims wanted that! Actually its useless talking to you. I think you can only change when ALLAH comes in ur dreams and says so.
     
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    I dont want to talk logic coz muslims cant comprehend(means understanding) that.

    1)I watch cricket, i hate zaheer and munaf, coz they dont know how to play!
    I like sachin, saurav, etc.,

    I used to like mohd. azaruddin(muslim), but he was caught is match fixing with the pakistani team! So i changed my mind.


    2) salman ( 2 pending cases), SRk( gay/proudness/self obssessed maniac/karan johar), aamir(i like him)

    I like ajay devgan, akshay khanna among others!

    3) Good musicians, but hey we already made them a separate country. If they had the same talents and were brought up in pakistan, would you believe they could have made it this far?

    You already know that islam is shit, but why keep defending it?
     
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    #32
    I'm not defending Islam, infact I'm not talking about religion at all, I do not defend ANY religion, every religion is crap if you ask me....

    I'm talking about Individual persons who follow Islam.
     
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  13. Idiot Inside

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    #33
    if you see with a bit care, most of those scientists belong to 13th century when science started progressing. Muslims are in downfall since then, thats why a billion Muslims of today doesn't have much to present.

    I am once again at my question, what criticism you are talking about? Instead of generalizing it, be specific ... what criticism that Islam do is hindrance in progress?
     
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    dilipsam Well-Known Member

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    #34
    Compare your list to
    List of Jewish_scientists

    (Looks like Allah seems to give more wisdom to these people whom Islam hates)

    Pretty off-topic but when I looked into the list, Sergey Brin is full Jewish while Larry Page had a Jewish mother.
     
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    #35
    maybe because the Jews are God's chosen people and Muslims are wannabe's?
     
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    #36
    LOL...

    this is just frm tamil nadu.. just a tiny state in india


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Tamil_Nadu
     
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    Feeltheheat are you from Tamilnadu? If so, I too am a Tamilian.
     
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    #38
    Doesn't that tell you something?

    Islam is seriously broken. You yourself have presented evidence which supports this conclusion.

    Please re-read what I wrote until you understand. Thanks.

    I'm not talking about the "criticism that Islam do", I'm talking about the criticism that Islam prevents by prohibiting the rights of freedom of speech. If one cannot speak, change cannot occur.

    Let's take ONE little example. Muslim nations would be MUCH less poor if people were allowed to loan money at interest. But, that's forbidden by Muhammad, so hundreds of millions of Muslims are forced to live in poverty.

    Can a person speak against Muhamad and say "Muhammad didn't understand economics! Let's get ourselves out of this pit!" No, of course not. He would be beaten or killed for daring to introduce progress into the Muslim culture.

    There is a reason why Islamic cultures do not produce advances in science, technology, economics, and political science. The reason is the systematic repression of new ideas in preference for reverence to an outdated 6th century war cult.

    Muhammad demanded no argument, no dissension, and no change -- and that's exactly what he got. Why? Because me murdered anyone who disagreed with him. Muhammad's legacy lives on, even today. The Islamic world has become stagnant. The Islamic world is now experiencing the 6th century for the fourteenth time.
     
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    #39
    I agree, Let's not kick anyone out. Do away with blasphemy laws. Just the idea of them is offensive to me. Does anyone care about my right to not be offended ;)?
     
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    #40
    Not all muslims are bad but every muslim has the potential to turn from good to bad by the Imams' as well the Quran's preaching.

    But Islam has contributed lot of hate and invited lot of enmity. They can't be kicked out but in another 50 year's time in places like Sweden, Denmark and Norway I see either Zero tolerance for them or a Muslim Holocaust there.
     
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