Attack on Muslim Writer Taslima Nasrim

Muslims do seem to be a bit odd when they claim that blowing up an Internet cafe and killing everyone inside is not nearly as bad as other people talking about it afterwards.

 

Talking of blowing Internet cafe..

Radical Hindus are thrashing internet cafes, beating cafe owners and surfers in Mumbai for allowing and accessing Google's social networking site Orkut.com

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repo...MDAxMDA=&Mode=HTML&Locale=english-skin-custom

 

That is setting a horrible example for the Muslims.

The police should all be fired for standing by as that happened.

The shop owners should all be issued firearm permits to protect their rights and their property.

 

Its not only horrible, It's pathetic..

It shows that Radicals are as bad in a peaceful religion like Hinduism..
These people go on street every Valentine day/Friendship day, thrashing shops and people celebrating. While policemen are standing there watching silently.

 

We are not buying ur "other people are bad, so we are" statement!

 

You cant buy what I'm not selling

Radicals always feel they are better than everyone else...

 

Thank you for illustrating my previous point. I WOULD consider this freedom of expression. I would not be happy with this person, and if they slandered my mother (saying she did something she did not do and causing damage to her) I would encourage her to sue that person in civil court for monetary damages, but I would not call for this person's head on a stake. I love living in a country where freedom of expression is allowed, even if that means someone can say mean things about my mother.

 

Do you actually know how people used to treat new-born girls before Islam in Arab? And what was the status of women? And what changes Islam caused to life of girls and women?

She might have had 2nd grade treatment by her family or so, but why are you relating it to Islam? Where Islam commands 2nd grade treatment to women?

How some of most Muslims treat women doesn't necessarily means that it is told in Islam.
Doesn't many illiterate type of Hindus drink and beat their wives? Should someone conclude that its teached in Hinduism?

No, that is not offending. But why hold Islam responsible for that? Did Islam tells men to rape their relative women?



Well, Since I have not read the book, so I cannot talk about that. The thing I am trying to say is freedom of expression should be within some limits, as long as others doesn't get offended or harmed.

Try looking at "Restrictions on free speech" in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theatre

So, the shit called "Free Speech" is not really Free.

 

If I am offended by everything you ever say, does that mean that you should be silenced forever?

Where did this stupid idea that people have some sort of "right not to be offended" come from?

I am personally offended by fat people -- therefore they should not be allowed out in public.

What the hell? How does this make any sense?

Are you even listening to your own arguments?

 

There you are!

If you (or she) sue her, you are not considering that "freedom of expression" ... What will you do if court doesn't accept your petition, saying it "freedom of expression" and they cannot listen to you or proceed your petition?

If Muslims become violent and try to kill the offending person, its just because they cannot grab him/her in court. The country he is living in, simply denies to accept charges against him by saying its free speech.

If any neutral country (or ICJ) launch a charge-sheet against offender (same like you sue the offender) .. Muslims will have no reason to be violent and trying or asking to kill that person.

 

Or, they could grow the fuck up and realize that a little bit of truth and honesty isn't going to do them any harm.

I just love your argument that Muslims only murder people because they can't harm them in other ways. How about you STOP TRYING TO HARM PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Goddamn, that is the single most stupid argument I have ever heard in my life.

Let me try to beat this into your ignorant and brainwashed little skull -- YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO HARM PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR IDIOTIC SIXTH CENTURY CULT.

 

Where I'm relating it to Islam?
I made a thread about attack on Taslima by some Muslim MLAs, and Condemn the attack.

Its actually you and other Muslims who jumped and relate it with Islam.
You guys got aggressive about her.

Do you support the attack and death threats to her?
If yes then we are on different sides.

Or do you condemn the attack and death threats to her?
If yes, then we are on the same side and there is no argument.

 

I am not using word offend in term of feeling unhappy or angry. There must be some verbal offending to you, your personality and so.

I am not a big philosopher or thinker. My arguments about free speech may sound silly sometime .. but really its time when world need to define the hard boundaries to free speech.

By the way, what you say about "shouting fire in a crowded theatre" or other Restrictions on free speech.

Why I cannot shout fire, fire of bomb, bomb in public theater? Or why I cannot tell lie in court?

Am I not open to speak/say what I feel OK to me and only me without thinking of someone else's comfort and feelings? Doesn't it makes me little (if not complete) selfish?

 

The hard boundaries are when your words create actual damage to another person.

Offending someones religion does not create any actual damage to that person.

You can't should fire (etc...) in a theater because people will be hurt. Really physically hurt -- and you will be responsible for the damage.

You can't lie in court because the court will fine, imprison, or execute people based upon your words. You words will create real damage to real people.

Selfishness is what makes this world the great place it is today! Read The Wealth of Nations.

 

I was replying to his argument of suing the offender of his mother. And was asking what he will do if he could not sue the offender.

Who is forcing you to agree?

and why don't you understand one simple fact that YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DISGRACE AND DISRESPECT MY (OR ANY) RELIGION.

Agreeing or not agreeing is another story.

 

Here:

I condemn the attack and death threats to her, because Islam do not allow you to be judge on your own and decide about the life and death of any human being.

Since I have not read her book, I cannot tell what she wrote and if it was OK or not. But if some people thought its not fine, they could contact court about it and let court decide if book should be published, banner or whatever.

 

Unless he's a complete moron, he will understand that you're an idiot and nothing you say has any effect on his mother.

If you say his mother is a car, does that make his mother a car?

YES I DO.

I completely 100% disrespect your religion and I have the right to do so. It's called THINKING and it's my NATURAL RIGHT. Moreover, it's my RESPONSIBILITY.

Now, what are you going to do about it?

No harm has come to you because I think that your religion is a moronic 6th century cult which is completely out of place in modern times.

Your "prophet" was a murderer, a thief, a liar, and a child molester. The historical record is very clear on those points.

Your religion has brought nothing but ignorance and poverty upon your people.

That same religion is the root cause of your constant wars with Hindu's, Buddhists, Christians, and even other Muslims.

Your religion is a complete and total disgrace and it has brought disgrace upon every single one of it's followers.

And your mother is a whore. Or a car. Take your pick.

Now then. Did any of those words create any actual harm to you? OF COURSE NOT.

Grow the fuck up. You do NOT have the right to not be offended.

 

In case shouting fire in theater doesn't physically harm anyone, it is fine?

For some people loss of money is more important than loss of credibility and vice versa. For some, carrier is more important than girlfriend .. and vice versa. What loss is bigger and what is smaller, what gain is bigger and what is smaller .. its all relative. Do you agree or not?

What if for myself, emotional damage caused by someone matters more than a couple kicks on ass in theater after someone shout fire?

Is that not possible? Can you define others in the same way you define yourself? Some people hate their country, some are just OK with their country .. but some dies for their country in battlefield. Things are different for different people.

Dude, things are relative ... If emotional loss doesn't matter to you ... you cannot assume that it doesn't matter to anyone.

 

Then you're a fucking pussy and you should kill yourself.

However, that does not IN ANY WAY give you some sort of "magical right" to oppress other people with your idiotic thinking.

Your idiocy cannot become important than my right to think and speak.

You have three times now avoided responding to my question.

"If every word that you say offends me, should you be silenced permanently?"

I'll try it another way...

"Islam offends me. You must never speak of it again. It must not be written about. It must not be taught. It must be expunged from this earth because it offends my sensitive feelings."

That's your logic and it's moronic.

 

I think you've just summed it all up in these words.