RevenueUniverse.com scammed me $75,000 :-(

I love RevU, and with the current state of incentive/affiliate marketing, they have every right to investigate his account (they have any right anyways).

 

I agree. Similar threads like this one have been locked as well.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=426852

 

Wow. I thought something was "odd" when I saw that an affiliate network was communicating through AIM. I thought to myself is this one of those freebie sites? Because they are highly known to communicate with its members through AIM out of all the messengers in the world they seem to all flock to AIM. And then they have support tickets and via several forums. Admins of such sites are well known to not pay people as well. I continued reading and see the name Peter and thought to myself "Is that the same Peter that is known to fraud on forums like FiPG, A4F and others? After all he is the only Peter I've read about that operates and/or operated some sort of freebie network. So I go to the site and notice the name in the copyright. IT IS A FREEBIE SITE. LOL. Now I don't know if it's the same Peter but I used to be a participant in the freebie industry and quite frankly the whole industry has a bad reputation due to a high rate of crime (fraud) by the admins themselves AND some of its members overall. I'm not saying all admins but some do and they are actually quite unprofessional in nature. Don't take my word for it. The proof is in the puddin'. lol. Check out those forums I gave names to and see for yourself. So I'd advise anyone to stay away from them. Due to the increase in fraud (crime) it's something that is just itching for the attention of the feds. So beware in dealing with that industry because 9 times out of 10 you will get burned. I'd even be willing to bet that if you haven't been burned, yet... you will eventually. Yea, it's THAT BAD. Nobody has been sent to jail yet SURPRISINGLY especially if the claim of fraud is occurring. I mean think about it, if you know someone has committed fraud why hasn't anyone been put in jail when fraud is a felony? Why haven't charges been made by the admins NOR their advertisers? Is fraud really going on or are the admins just making an excuse? And if not, then will you report the crime? Anyway those are just my observations. Take it or leave it.

Tradeepak: Hope everything works out for you.

 

...and the question about the phone still hasn't been answered. Peter, please let me know if your phone works, and if you cleared out the messages. Thanks.

 

CU_Designs,

You clearly don't have a very good understanding of affiliate networks. Almost EVERY affiliate network has affiliate managers who provide AIM support, I have worked with dozens and never has one NOT had it. All the Affiliate Networks that have subforums here have affiliate managers with AIM supports as well, so I really don't know what you were trying to get at with that statement.

For your fraud comments, it seems you also do not understand the incentive business. Nobody has claimed that Tradeepak committed fraud, but his USERS did. You can't make someone go to jail because fraud came through their site, you simply need to stop working with them, which is what happened.

As for owning freebie networks, many affiliates do that as well. Do some research on Perfect Paycheck, AdExhibit, and PromoPath, you will find they do the same thing. It is not uncommon. And we are not a "scam", if you look on Anything4Free [http://www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php and look under Grade A Legit Networks] we are among the top rated freebie networks. If you are going to make a post that is supposed to make us look bad, next time please do your research.

FMS,

There is not a problem with our phone.

 

Peter, you've made some great suggestions on what an incentive site owner can do to try and catch fraud. Unfortunately, the biggest source of fraud and one of the main reasons so many merchants are no longer accepting incentive traffic is the fraudulent use of pre-paid gift/credit cards by the members of incentive sites looking to make a quick buck.

I won't go into great detail to keep the post brief, but you've got a ton of people who are completing trial offers with these pre-paid credit cards until the cards are used up. These people don't refill the credit cards, so when the merchants go to make follow-up charges on the credit card, these cards no longer work. This is not something that is discovered within a day, or even within a week. It takes as long as 4 - 6 weeks before the merchants find this out, and then they get very upset. Some of the merchants I've talked with report 75% and more of the orders they're getting from some incentive sources are bad this way.

Incentive site owners have no clue their members, who are using their correct info when they signup, are using these gift cards. Everything looks great on their end, so they get completely surprised when they find out about it.

The sheer number of incentive sites allow these cheating members to hop from site to site to site, never to get caught. This is part of the reason why we made our decision to change our incentive site policy.

By the way, someone posted in this thread that we no longer allow incentive sites. In fact, we do allow incentive sites, but they cannot be built with a rent-a-script and cannot offer cash-for-offers.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

 

That would be me and I apologize I guess I was mistaken and thought you had disallowed all incentive traffic. Once again I apologize for the confusion.

 

Peter,

If you are not gonna pay me, I guess the dispute will go on for ever.

The total cash in both of my accounts amounts to $75,000 . Charge back all the fraud leads until the last dollar and pay me what is remaining, and then stop working with me forever. Thats good way to end a business relationship. At any cost, keeping the money from good leads for yourself does not make any sense at all. Is the nothing called business ethics in this world? I would be happy even if its just $5,000. But you just can't run away with MY MONEY.

 

This thread is lame, I'm suprised this is not locked yet. Nobody here provided any proof of fraud, scam etc.
Why don't the two parties just take this into private?

 

It just can't be taken private. They do not respond well when I contact them. Only way to arouse their response was to post this in here. Their phone acts strangely, hangs up automatically within a few seconds, they do not respond to emails. What do you expect me to do?

 

Like my director said we will not provide proof on a public forum as it violates the privacy of our other affiliates/members.

 

As I do more research, I see that there are more victims..

http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=90747

 

I have got another proof that they are true cheaters and scammers.



This image on their site is a fake one.

Also just go to google and search for "revenueuniverse.com" - it is coming up next to their own site link, LOL!

 

Did you not read Kelly's response in that thread? It was made pretty clear that the original poster had generated fraudulent leads.

I've read right through this thread and do agree that Revenue Universe are doing you a favor by sifting through your leads and determining which are actually real. There was obviously something shifty going on if more than 75% of your leads were fraudulent - $75,000 is a lot of money and A LOT of leads. I don't know what type of website you're running, but I doubt that your website is popular enough to generate that amount of leads in a month. If it was, they would be genuine. It's all led me to believe that you were either sending loads of junk traffic or had used other methods. I'm a firm believer that mass fraud doesn't "just happen", especially when thousands of dollars are involved.

I suggest you move on and let this go before you damage your reputation even further. The amount of fraudulent leads is horrendous and you really don't deserve a penny, even if a couple of them were genuine. You have to think as an advertiser - if you just lost $75,000 to a site that poorly converted, how would you feel?

 

Very good advice. This is not a place for this kind of debate. It should be via a lawyer or a mediator.

On the other hand, what better way for the rest of us to see what is going on? Very interesting!

 

thread locked. Just a lot of talk crap slinging with no proof on either party.