Why do muslim follow the sunna more than the Koran?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by alaska88, Aug 9, 2007.

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    They are so many things which are not mentionned in the koran but are mentionned in the sunna, which are, correct me if I am wrong the sying of the phrophet. Surely only the words of god should be adhered to? For example I belive circumcision is not even mentionned in the Koran so why are all muslim cirumcised? and the list is endless. If people followed just the koran may be islam would not have such a bad word.
     
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  2. Lexiseek

    Lexiseek Banned

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    #2
    I don't know, why do Muslims follow the Sunna more than the Koran?

    Or is this a rhetorical question?
     
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    Islam has not a bad name at all. Quran tells the basic principlles and sunnah gives the specific rules and explanation of Quran.
     
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    what specific rules? and why? why adding specific rules to a so called complete book?
     
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    Sometimes, not only there is a lack of mention but a contradiction as well between the two. For instance no where in the Quran you would find how many prayers the believers must perform. The fixed 5 daily prayers have no bases other than in the tradition “sunnah”. Also the Quran does not mention anything about the call for prayer “Azan” , how to perform the prayer and what to say during the prayer. It was all left to the tradition.

    One more important contradiction is the punishment of adulterer “Zina”

    Which one should be adhered, one hundred lashes (Quran) or Stoning (Tradition)?
     
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  6. alaska88

    alaska88 Peon

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    Yes I belive most of the muslims prectices are down to heritage, culture and traditions. They have been done for so many years that it has become part of the muslim religion. Why because one man said that such and such things are prohibited or allowed that we should followed him?
    I thought we were supposed to follow god and not a mere human being. Also so many sayings have been proved to be wrong. Same with scholars, what right do they have to impose on us their rules?? If you ask a muslim they are absolutely incapable of telling you why they follow such or such practices. They are for most of them very ignorant and have no explanation or proofs for their sayings. If it's black and white in the Koran i have no probmes with it, but for the sunna it is not compulsory.
     
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    All muslims are not cirumcised, only all men. Do you not count woman as muslims?
     
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    that book is not a law book. But gives the principles to follow while making the rules. Like Quran says to offer prayer but it does not say how to offer prayer, how many times and what to recite.
    Sunnah help us in the specifics of an order/principle.
     
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    Hate to burst your bubble, but it does.
     
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    I was not referring to the haters.....
     
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  11. alaska88

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    i was only mentionning the men
     
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    The problem with the number of prayers is that Quran mentions a lesser number of prayers perhaps 3 but not 5 as it is practiced.

    Where did the after midday “Dhuhr” or the afternoon “Asr” prayers come from?

    Salah is the most important act of worship in Islam why was allah vague and unclear about it?
     
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    Thats not vague or unclear. Not a single sect in Islam has ever any other view on the no. of prayers. Quran does say to offer prayers and Sunnah explain it how to do it. Sunnah is too by "Allah" as prohpet (pbuh) never said any thing on his own.
     
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    Nice choices, LOL!!:p
     
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    one hundred lashes is for non married and stoning is for married. So its not the contradiction as you posed.

    And Sunnah is not the tradition. Sunnah and Hadith are the actions and words of holy prophet (pbuh) told him by Allah (SWT)
     
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    That could well be accepted as valid had the sunuah/hadith been authentic from the beginning. As you probably know the hadith was for a long time nothing but an oral tradition relevant to the actions of Muhammad. The documented collection of the hadith that we know of now was written over one hundred years after the death of Muhammad. So whatever one might say about the authenticity of the sunnah it cannot be reliable, and therefore cannot be supplement to or clarification of the Quran.

    The first important collection of hadith was written by Bukhari, who died in 870. The prophet died in 632!
     
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    These verses are addressed to the prophet and they are ordering him when to perform extra prayers (of course you know the prophet performed more prayers than the rest of Muslims). These verses are not talking about the prayers that regular Muslims should perform.
     
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    The Quran is clear on the punishment of Zina and it does not mention stoning (abrogated verse!).

    24:2 YUSUFALI:
    الزَّانِيَةُ وَالزَّانِي فَاجْلِدُوا كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ مِنْهُمَا مِائَةَ جَلْدَةٍ

    In general "Zinaa", in Arabic and in Islam, refers to both adultery and fornication.

    Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, a Pakistani Islamic scholar agrees with that “Ghamidi concludes that Quranic punishment for Zina in verse [Qur'an 24:2] does not leave a room for another interpretation”


    One more question for you. In the light of the verse 4:25-26 what is the fornication punishment of a slave women and why?
     
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    Kafer, I was reading your posts and the replies that came with it, until I got to your last post which mentions Javed Ahmad Ghamidi. Now that was hilarious. I thought you were going by what you have learned and what not but Ghamidi? Sorry if you didn't know, Ghamidi is no scholar. He is a self-proclaimed scholar who has no room for debate with the traditional scholars. He has his own little group of followers.

    Anyways, I see it that you are rejecting the Hadiths (sayings of Prophet), it's normal these days to find people like you because ignorance is rampant.

    To understand the Quran and Hadith side by side needs the scholarship that one needs to spend years to acquire. Anyways, if you need to learn more, you can go to www.sunniforum.com and post your questions there. You will only go there if you are interested in learning. If your just going to bash like others have on this forum then that's just ignorance. I ignore the ignorant.
     
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  20. kafer

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    I quoted Ghamidi in order to show that the verse I mentioned above can easily be interpreted differently and literally by others. Ghamidi is not alone on that, others share his opinion too. By that I implied that Allah/Mohammed allowed the verse to be open to various opinions.

    By the way you can’t simply discredit Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, he is respected by reformists in Pakistan. He also hold membership seat at the Pakistani government Council Of Islamic Ideology. The guy has interesting views that should be considered. Not that I as a Kafer cares about that of course:D
     
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