All Muslims Read this please [ Need your help ]

That looks a lot like Option #1. Here's a Kleenex(tm) for you.

Read your Qua'ran.

No. Go back and re-read what I wrote. The answer is right there waiting for you. Since you appear to be reading challenged, I'll help you out AGAIN.

Q. What three options did Muhammad give kafir? How did the Hindu's stay alive?

A. They submitted to rule by the Muslims.

This is all Osama bin Laden is asking for folks. That's all he wants -- our humble submission and payment of jizyah. Osama is the direct intellectual descendant of Muhammad, two warlords separated only by time.

You level of ignorance cannot be accounted for by a lack of information -- particularly in the Internet age. If you are as ignorant as you claim to be, it can only be the result of a deliberate and willful refusal to learn.

 

I thought it was obvious that its so far from truth, thats why I did not answer what is there, and also because I do not feel I should defend, but since you insist, I will gladly answer:

First they started with:

isn't that too much for an army of madmen, to conquer and enslave the mind when they themselves have no minds as the writer says above "madmen"?

sword can occupy lands but not minds and hearts of 1.2 billion. Converting people requires of different kind than violence or brain washing, and I do not think a religion that depends on brain washing to spread, would encourage people to think and learn, since the first word in Quran that came telling human kind "Read"

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED-
CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD:

READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,-
HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN,

TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".
(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

I encourage you to read history from respectful sources.

hmm, not what I know about Islam, I will reply simply from Quran since its the source of teachings for Muslims:

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the
Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day
and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is
no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

and...

[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become
clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan
and believes in God he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which
shall not break off, and God is Hearing, Knowing.

from wikipedia:

Honour killings have been continually mistaken to be a practice encouraged by Islam; this is due to the fact that honour killings are often perpetrated in Muslim-majority areas, especially in countries of the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East. However the Qur'an and the Hadith mention nothing about honour killings, and such murders are almost always associated with pre-Islamic cultural patterns in the societies which condone them. For example, while honour killing is widespread among rural Muslim tribes in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, and various Arab countries, it is virtually unknown in the Muslim communities of Malaysia and Indonesia.

this is an incident were an honor killing happened in non-Muslim family "Sikh":

A 70-year-old grandmother and her son have been found guilty of murdering his wife in a so-called "honour killing".

source BBC news

Sikh are not Muslims.

more..

“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.

First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.”

as for Killing Jewish cos they are only Jewish, read again above and my previous post.

The site is about Islam, Arabs were not Muslims before Islam, there were Christian Arabs, Jewish Arabs, and others, untill these days, but I will assume he means Muslims, here is a source about slavery history from which I'd like to quote: "The institution of slavery extends back beyond recorded history."

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. "
(The Noble Quran, 49:13)

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"

Narrated Al-Ma'rur: At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, "I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names." The Prophet said to me, 'O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29)"

His name is Muhammad, Un-lettered Prophet:

Let me quote the verse in full without a break as found in the "King James Version," or the "Authorised version" as it is more popularly know "AND THE BOOK IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED, SAYING, READ THIS I PRAY THEE: AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." (Isaiah 29:12).

Important note :
It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles(12) in existence in the 6th Century of the Christian Era when Muhummed lived and preachedl Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. No human had ever taught him a word.

full reading... Muhammad in Bible..

as for the last sentences he quoted from Quran, read more here if you are interested in answres:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac5.htm#links


recommended readings about Islam

The Genuine Islam, vol. 1, no. 8 1936, George Bernard Shaw

I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.


How to Stop Islam?


The Status of non-Muslims in Islam

as for the last quotes he had from Quran, he took them out from their text when he should quote the whole text not a part of it, you will find more about it here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/prisoners_of_war.htm


Quotes from Bible and Talmud:

"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
Deuteronomy 20:16

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Samuel 15:3

A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:
O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

Psalm 137:9

more can be found here ...

 

This is really bad thing infact, can't we keep silence about one another's religion in internet?

There is one god, different ways and face to see him. It's upon person how he wants to call his/her god.

 

What was jizyah ? A tax paid by non muslims so that Muslims would defend them.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/jizyah.htm
http://videos.netscape.com/story/2007/07/15/was-islam-spread-by-the-use-of-jizyah/
http://www.thetruecall.com/home/mod...e=article&sid=322&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Since you choose to live in a state of denial. I will not help you out of it. Believe what you want to about Islam but keep your filthy accusations with yourself. You are brainwashed. Open your eyes and look around, there are 1.3 billion Muslims and we don't carry a bomb tied on our chests.

 

No. I will not be silenced. That's my religion -- the religion of freedom.

Now, what are you going to do about it?

Are you going to:

1. Cry like a little girl
2. Murder those (me) who offend your sensitive little feelings
3. Grow the fuck up and realize that other peoples beliefs don't hurt you

W

 

No I'm going to ignore your posts because i know you are a bigoted brainwashed American.

I hope you can :
Grow the fuck up and correct your beliefs about Islam.

 

Here's another Kleenex(tm) for you.

 

It's not illegal, freedom of speech. But yeah, it's definitely offensive.

 

Why is it when you are attempting to defend islam, you (and all other muslims on this forum) always try to say that it is unlike islam, yet history has shown over and over up until today that violence is the god of islam. Then when that seems to fail you always try to point at Christianity and try to create moral equality by pointing at a few verses in the old testament that are obviously either taken completely out of context like the above Psalm 137

Here is the rest of that to show that what is really happening. Make sure not to miss verse 8.

Back to my previous sentence.... if not taking something out of context, you will some how imagine that a command to Joshua to kill a specific group of people on a specific battle, somehow is a command to all Christians against all people?!!?!??? Come on, try to grow up and face the facts and quit trying to blame others for the problems that islam has caused throughout time and the world.

 

This little chart illustrates the issue, as I see it.

Christians
At war with Buddhists: No
At war with Hindus: No
At war with Muslims: Yes
At war with Jews: No

Buddhists
At war with Christians: No
At war with Hindus: No
At war with Muslims: Yes
At war with Jews: No

Hindus
At war with Christians: No
At war with Buddhists: No
At war with Muslims: Yes
At war with Jews: No

Muslims
At war with Christians: Yes
At war with Buddhists: Yes
At war with Hindus: Yes
At war with Jews: Yes

Jews
At war with Christians: No
At war with Buddhists: No
At war with Hindus: No
At war with Muslims: Yes

Why is it that every other major religion on Earth seems to be able to live together in peace?

I'm not a member of any of those religions, which makes me as close as you are ever going to get to an unbiased observer.

As an unbiased observer, it appears very clear to me that Islam is the problem. Hell, the Muslims are even at war with themselves.

 

^ Baseless lies. Any source to prove what you just barked ?

Funny how you play around with that word 'war'. Please talk sense.
Your little chart shows nothing but the mindless bigoted trash your little brain (if any) comes up with. Grow the hell up please.

Muslims are suffering at the hands of the west. And it doesn't take any genius to figure out the causes of suicide bombings.

 

ah so it was ok in that specific battle, maybe i should read verse 10, and 11 if they exist, I expect to read that they promised God not to repeat it again, or at least stop killing children... then will ask myself did it stop?

NO

history says,

Muslims was not a part in the WW1 & WW2 that took millions of souls!
Hitler was not Muslim.

blaming, I am saying that site has wrong info, and somebody was insisting for answers in a challenging way, don't I have the right to ask too about these verses there? and if he picks text out of context without showing the whole view, he should do that on all holy books so then it will be fair, yet i see it strange who its allowed in one specific battle, its like saying, its ok to be without morals for that battle until we wipe them all, then later we will get back to morality. Sad, this morality, been seen again in Crusader wars Heroshima again, Nagazaki, every breathing man or woman, old or child, human or animal even plants YEAH!! YIPPIIII KILL THEM ALL!! TO SAVE OTHERS FROM BEING KILLED! LOL same morality I read it now on that site.

don't expect them to stay stood, and do not go crying if they did not stay stood, sad but true, people tend to defend what belongs to them.

wars wars wars, Islam did not spread in one day, all Muslims battles were to defend the freedom of spreading the message, not to force people to convert, and I showed you .. thats why there are still Christians in Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, have anybody here visited a Muslim country, did Muslims there JUMP to you and told you convert now or we will kill you, did they really care about what religion you follow or if you follow a religion or not?

I hold a message and I m ordered to deliver it, then the recipient is free to follow it or not, what so bad about that? But if somebody stand in my way and told me YOU WILL NEVER DELIVER THIS, I will then resist.

want a list of Wars? here:

U S A, History WARS :

Pequot War (1637)
Iroquois War (1642-1653)
King Philip's War (1675-1676)
King William's War a.k.a. The French and Indian Wars (#1) (1689-1697)
Queen Anne's War a.k.a. War of the Spanish Succession a.k.a. The French and Indian Wars (#2) (1702)
Tuscarora Indian War (1711-1713)
Dummer's War a.k.a. Lovewell's War (1721-1725)
War of Jenkins' Ear (1739-1742)
King George's War a.k.a. War of the Austrian Succession a.k.a. French and Indian Wars (#3) (1744-1748)
French and Indian War (#4) a.k.a. Seven Years' War (1754-1763, although some say 1756-1763)
American Revolution (1763-1789)
Whiskey Rebellion (1794)
Tripolitan War (1801-1805)
War of 1812 (1812-1814)
Creek Indian War (1813-1814)
War against Algeria (1815)
First Seminole War (1817-1818)
Black Hawk War (1832)
Second Seminole War (1835-1842)
The Alamo (1836)
Battle of San Jacinto (1836)
The Caroline Affair (1837-1842)
Aroostock War (1838-1839)
Antirent War a.k.a. Helderberg War (1839-1846)
the Creole incident (1841-1842)
Dorr's Rebellion (1842)
Catholic riots in Philadelphia (1844)
War with Mexico a.k.a Mexican-American War (1846-1848)
Wakarusa War (1855, 1856)
Mountain Meadows Massacre (1857)
The Civil War (1861-1865)
Irish riot of 1871 (1871)
Battle of Little Big Horn (1876)
Anti-Chinese Riots (1877)
Nez Perce war (1877)
Controversey of 1889 (1889)
Sitting Bull (1890)
mob in Valparaiso (1891)
miners riot (1894)
The Spanish American War (1898)
Philippine-American War (1899)
war with China (1900)
World War 1 (1917-1918)
World War 2 (1941-1945)
Korean War (1950-1953)
Vietnam War (1961-1973)
Persian Gulf War (1991)


this is in USA alone,

here is a Tip: if you want to make a YES - NO list, ask, were Muslims a part on this war? and put a YES or NO beside each,

then get a list of all Wars that happened in history since Islam came, old or NEW, and ask the same question,

and will be nice if for each war you mentioned the number of victims

then we will have an idea who is adopting violence as a way to solve problems. well yeah will require some effort that if you really interested to know the truth not a part of it.

besides question like are Jewish in War with Muslims? then you put beside it YES

I can make a question, is Muslims in Peace with Jewish, and it also can be answered by YES, cos there are peace between for example Jordan and Israel, Egypt and Israel .. and many others...

edited to add the source and a note there : "This list of wars is incomplete, since this area is still under construction."

 

I find it incredibly amusing how current Muslim propaganda attempts to deny that there was an entire Muslim Division of the Nazi S.S..

Not the Wehrmacht, not the Luftwaffe -- the S.S.

But I'm sure they were all peaceful and nice. I bet they offered their victims coffee and qatayef before murdering them.

 

What do they want from muslims? I have a lot of muslim friends and none of them is terrorist. This site is may be legal but not ethical. As a cristian, I wouldn't want a site for christians neither for muslims.

 

Since when is speaking the truth not ethical?

 

Talk About credible sources...

 

The list of wars posted by Brother Imad clearly prove both of you wrong. End of discussion. You can spread falsehood against islam but remember Whenever truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.

Imad, I know these people will never stop this anti Islamic propaganda. But they are Sumun,Bukmun,Ayumnun and they fail to realize that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the World without any sort of a war/or help of a 'sword'

 

so, I didn't know that there are a lot of "Historians" here on DP.

 

Do y'all remember what we did with Hitler and his entire army of bad actors?

That's right -- we killed them. We spent billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives tracking them down and killing them.

What do Muslims do with terrorists? They buy Osama bin Laden t-shirts. They provide aid and comfort to terrorists. They give money to Al Qaeda and Hamas. They build website after website praising terrorists and blaming the United States for the 9/11 attacks. Nothing is ever their fault, everyone is always going to war with them. It's the Hindu's fault that the Muslims are bombing the Hindu's. It's the Jews fault that the Muslims are bombing the Jews. It's the Americans fault that the Muslims are bombing the Americans. It's the Russians fault that the Muslims are bombing the Russians.

And then they get mad because we don't think nice things about them???

 

To be honest, whenever another religion bad mouths Muslims, all of Muslim hell breaks loose, while if someone bad mouths another religion, no one really gives a f.

Not to sound rude, but grow up - just because someone bad mouthed you, get over it.

Oh, and the stint with the newspaper from Denmark, and all Muslims cracking it over some cartons, that was bloody ridiculous. We are grown ups for crying out loud.