Evolutionism - Your thoughts?

Hello,

I became bored after reading all the Islam related threads in this section, so I thought I'd create a thread to have a decent debate. I know there is a profound number of Christians who oppose the ideas of Evolutionism and favour Creationism, however, I know nothing about the views seen by members of other theologies.

So, what do you think about Charles and his ideas?

 

prince Charles just has a huge eco farm, he dont think that much.

oh you meant the other guy from Darwin? he rocks my socks

 

Brum, "best laid plans" and all that, but if history on the forum, on this subject, is any indication, this may become anything but a "decent debate."

At any rate, yes, evolutionary theory carries water with me.

 

Even I have studied quite a bit about Evolution and stuff, but it doesn't really appeal to me, I favor Creationism instead.

I, honestly, cannot agree that this too much complex system of DNA and human brain can be a result of evolution. Someone must have created these ultra-amazing thing called brain.

Similar thoughts about other stuff as well, but brain and DNA are the things give me hard time believing in Evolutionism.

 

That's interesting Idiot_Inside, that you don't believe DNA either. I've not known someone to disapprove of both. How then, do you explain DNA evidence used as evidence in crimes? Also, just because we think brains are amazing for example, that doesn't suggest any extra evidence in favour of evolution being more unlikely; something being 'amazing' is purely a subjective opinion.

 

It's not even that it's unproven theory, it's that there is about 500 ways to prove that it's a fantasy. Say, if humanity evolved and spread from Africa/Asia to all over the world, how come there are so many pyramids and Egyptian hyeroglyphs in North America? I'd love someone explain it
And how come they don't teach it in school, unless the idea is to promote evolution theory and ignore the reality

 

Some points you made there were incredibly weak. 500 ways to disprove the theory? I don't think so. If there was evidence to prove otherwise, we wouldn't be taught it today.

It's very simple why there aren't any pyramids and Egyptian hyroglphics in America:

Would the heck would Egyptians be doing in America? Humans evolved 250,000 years ago, not 2,000.

I think you need to actually learn what Evolution is before denying it.

 

I think you need to learn the facts rather than denying them

 

And so it begins. Like I said, Brum...

At any rate, Demo, think about an incredibly long expanse of time, and not a snapshot taken from our modern viewpoint, frozen, an image of man set and now.

Some shapes are found, by trial and error, to hold up better than other shapes. Because these are physical realities - as much as rain flows down, and not up an ivy hedge - these shapes would tend to come about with time, would they not, across the globe?

Just as we have mouths, and not bills; we speak languages that share sounds - different languages, same structural components. It isn't necessary that some deity designed languages, but these structural components were used by clans, groups, tribes, to convey meaning. Adaptation, in other words.

The issue of creationism being taught in science curricula has been stricken by courts across the land for the very simple reason that it cannot be approached scientifically. I don't have an issue with it being in a course on comparative religion, for example; but it isn't science. Aside from the monumental amount of research lending credence to its findings, the methodology of evolutionary theory is empirical in nature; and so it rightly belongs in the category "science."

 

This thread is going to go down the drain pretty fast.

But yes, evolution makes sense to me. I don't understand how other people struggle with it.

 

Woops I misread, I thought you said there aren't any.

Anyway, those can be explained. It may seem a natural logic of the human condition to express written views in pictures. This seems expected, why would the first written language be squiggles representing images, when you could simply write images first?

The pyramid argument, assuming you're correct, is easily explained too. The pyramids are what, a basic square basic pyramids. It would be expected for early civilisation to build basic shapes for monuments, and the square pyramid is known to be the most stable shape. It's all logic. If you look at South America, the early Aztec monuments are very similar indeed.

 

You mean Egyptian hyeroglyphs were drawn by native americans? It's statistically impossible for the 2 peoples to end up with the same writing system, not if it's as complicated as Egyptian hyerogliphs...
And pyramids are not just 'basic square basic pyramids', it's way more complicated than that.
Anyway, evolution theory is weak, and they wouldn't have to hide facts from us if everything added up. You'd think they would tell you about these things in public school if they didn't have an agenda

 

Would you like to show some proof that there are Egyptian hieroglyphics in north America?

The pyramids are just pyramidal shapes. It's what's inside that counts. Pyramidal monuments in Egypt will not have the same innards as the ones in the Aztec area and early north American era.

As for the theory being weak, that's just plain silly. Would you care to tell me why babies are more commonly being born without the now obsolete appendix? Not to mention the observation of evolution within laboratories.

 

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Would you like to show some proof that there are Egyptian hieroglyphics in north America?
It would be easier if archeologists had more access to relevant sites, but unfortunately most are sealed by evolutionists and they won't allow excavation. Smithsonian Institute currently denies they even have any Egyptian artifacts found in America. But yes, even with what archeologists have access to there is more than enough evidence of Egyptian presence in pre-Columbus America. The best work on this that I am aware of is the book 'America BC' by Barry Fell. A lot of other evidence too, like Irish Ogam writing in North America, etc.

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The pyramids are just pyramidal shapes.
One thing is how they are aligned. But I think the funniest thing is how evolutionists want us to believe Egyptians built pyramids with primitive tools. These pyramids are more level than modern buildings, and they want us to believe that they sew goat skins to make water levels. Hell, I don't believe we have technology to build a pyramid with sawn goat water levels today. I guess in 500 years evolutionists will claim that we used sawn water levels to flew to the Moon.


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why babies are more commonly being born without the now obsolete appendix? Not to mention the observation of evolution within laboratories.
Haven't looked into it, except for what they told me in public school. Can't comment on it

 

So your alternative is that the infinitely complex god done it? Compared to what you think happened, DNA is a walk in the park, It's child's play.

Honestly though, If you ever find your self not understanding something in the future, Think of it like this. The person who told you it is a scientist, He is cleverer than you. If he says something is true and you are having trouble understanding it, That probably means it's true.

I'm so sick of people crediting god with things simply because they "don't get it".

Tell her how it upsets you when they talk about god making us from shit off the floor.

 

all talk and not one link to back up what you are saying.

 

I never promised any links. There was one in line #6 though, you missed it

 

i guess he never got to play with Lego bricks, thats why he dont understand DNA