How to Foster Anti-War Sentiment among Americans

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by GTech, Mar 20, 2007.

  1. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    #181
    Have you been on the meths again? :D :p
     
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  2. The Webmaster

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    #182
    Ehhh.. how??
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #183
    the fact that we are in the middle of civil war for such a long time
    the fact that he kept rumsfield in the face of obvious mistakes added a few years to the war
    and the list continues
    i do not think the foregin policy of this president have been very succesfull
     
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    #184
    "We" are in the middle of civil war while trying to control the situation and give the region a stability...

    And apparently there is no 'civil war' but a few terrorist attacks..
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #185
    i guess you are really not following up if you missed the fighting between diffrent group call it what you want but it is a civil war
    question is does US have the moral authority to interfer in another countries civil war?
    how would we feel if mexico interfered in US civil war to help the south for example or if the british in the french revelotion
    the other question is can we succed and is it a good thing for us to arm the diffrent factions. is this going to help or add to the killing in the long run?!

    democracy is the government of people by the people for the people
    i don't see it being what we have there
     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #186
    I don't believe he will. For him, it's more important to make the accusation without actually backing it up. Whenever there is an opportunity to make the US appear the bad guys, he will. I just wished he'd do the same with terrorists. That's not going to happen either, though.
     
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  7. The Webmaster

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    #187
    Ohh I'm waiting for him to answer 4 very simple questions...

    He didn't answer any of them but tried to escape them by talking about something very very different. Doesn't surprise me though.... ;)
     
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  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #188
    I suspect we'll both be ice skating in hell before that happens :D

    If we're lucky, he'll start talking about the US Constitution. If you watch for his pattern (I've been dealing with gstring for almost two years now), the ONLY time he ever brings up the US Constitution, is in a discussion about terrorists. Apparently he wants terrorists to have something they are not entitled to.
     
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    #189
    Strange enough, I think the same ;)


    Ohh yeah, you're right...He's already doing that :D
     
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  10. lucozade111

    lucozade111 Peon

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    #190
    Here is a toture case - http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1130-06.htm

    Do you not remember the Abu Ghraib photos where the Iraqis were treated like dogs, used as sex slaves and the Americans were taking photos??

    I will dig up the BBC articles if you wish.

    EDIT: Here is the link to US prisoners who were murdered - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5105284.stm (Scroll down to Tikrit)

    If you want me to post the photos from Abu Ghraib that show torture of prisoners then let me know. But they are quite disturbing and I would prefer not to.
     
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  11. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #191
    That something different, rule of the law and the right of individuals against government is the main reason for opposition of people against this administration but obviously for you it is a completely normal because of your environment. To try to explain this for you is like speaking Chinese while being fully aware that you don't speak a word of Chinese.
    As long as you do not know about the history of governments in North America, our laws and our culture, it will be meaningless to try to explain to you why we don't want to be India or Pakistan. ;)
     
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    #192
    I believe you are not American so I think we both are specking Mandarin (There is no such language called Chinese)..

    So I find it quite lame excuse to question my understanding without giving the proper answer.

    And with that attitude I find you worthless for a discussion..

    Have fun.
     
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  13. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    #193
    You are clearly posting to cover for GTech for the two hours a day he is not in DP P&R. You have to debate people like gworld, it's part of being in the crazy gang.

    If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen! :p
     
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    #194
    Welcome aboard Pal, how are you?

    Trying to cover Gworld while he is away? good job, I'm sure he will be happy for you.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #195
    I am from Canada and I mentioned North America and not USA. ;)

    People in USA and Canada share many democratic principals as bases of our societies. It is therefore, the majority of people in these countries understand why it is important to have laws, rights and a government that does not want to destroy the rule of law. On the other hand, when I mention the same principals to you, your answer is, why? We don't have it in India and I am OK with it. That is the reason we speak 2 different languages and can't understand each other. ;)

    I like to see India to become more democratic like us, while you like to see us to become another India. I think Gtech will support your love for Police state but most people in North America don't. ;)
     
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    #196
    Really , can you link my posts here where I said "why? We don't have it in India and I am OK with it"

    Thank you..
    Assumptions again..

    Drop it, why don't you simply answer my questions. As I said before If I don't get them, I'll do my researches or ask you..

    Perhaps, you don't have the answers. So you keep repeating blabber about US constitutions without explaining the points.
     
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  17. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #197
    If you need the U.S. Constitutions explained to you, there are many sites and books that will do that but I recommend that you at least start with reading it, so you understand why people care about it and get upset with Bush refers to it as piece of paper. ;)

    My points are very simple:

    We want our countries ruled by laws.
    We want nobody be imprisoned without charges.
    We want everyone have a right to defend themselves in a court of law.
    We don't want people to be tortured.

    What part don't you get?
     
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    #198
    *sigh*
    Still no direct answer but vague statements...

    Anyways, I understand.....
     
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    lucozade111 Peon

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    #199
    THE WEBMASTER - Did you miss my post? The answers to your questions are staring you in the face.
     
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    #200
    No sire, I didn't miss your post, I read them, laughed at you and moved on..

    Your post says nothing to answer my question.
    4 Soldiers committed a crime, found or pleaded guilty and got the sentences.

    If it only shows that how efficient and in place the judiciary system in US.

    Yes, if those soldiers were rewarded medals, and made heroes, I would have said with you - yes, America is evil.
    But thats not the case here.

    How does that make Bush different than any other president?
    How does that make America an evil country?
     
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