What the hell are you talking about? You say "it was a different era" as if that makes stoning to death a rape victim or forcing her to marry her attacker ok. Besides, Isn't god omnipotent? (i doubt you know what that means) If he really is omnipotent he would have known what this era will be like and he should know how disgusted right minded people will be at the thought or stoning to death a rape victim. I think it shows everyone exactly the level at which you people operate at. To defend the stoning to death of a rape victim simply because it was a "different era" really is disgusting. put down this hate filled, primitive, brainwashing shit and read a science book.
Just goes to show how far away from reality you are. You could not possibly place yourself in that era because you don't possess the mindpower to do so. Hence, your outlandish and aggressive verbal attacks using swear words peppered throughout. I have read plenty of science books. Many of them jump to crazy conclusions. Why? Because it is theory. Plain and simple. Of course, the Bible is theory too. I am denying that. However, the difference between my thinking and your thinking is I am willing to study both theories. Whereas, you are not. And here you are calling me primitive and brainwashed? At least I have the decency to use the English language without abusing others. I think it is time for you to have a nice cup of tea. Or coffee perhaps? Maybe a jam filled scone?? Col
I have studied you theory and the theory of science and the conclusion I have come to is that science is definitely more believable than some book written 2000 years ago.
It's not just some book. It's 66 books by 40 men written over a 1600 year period and inspired by God. Quite simply. There's nothing like it ever written and never will be. Unless you compare it to a complete volume of 21st Century International Tax Laws. But then again, who would ever want to read that?? Col
LOL Agreed - I'm no believer, but there is no point in arguing something that you don't understand. If nothing else, the bible is a fantastic look into the history and culture of a time that we don't know much else about.
Now there is a sensible post. Thank you. You highlighted a major problem about "understanding". I too, would have no business arguing about something I did not understand. Hence, the need for asking questions and then doing a bit of personal research. There are some who quite rudely "fly off the handle" and argue ludicrously about something they obviously know little about. I have pointed this out a number of times in this thread and many other threads. In other words, there is no reason at all to be vicious, rude and arrogant towards others, just because they might have a different opinion. Again. Thank you for showing decency to post in an acceptable manner. Col
What, no comments on consensus science? It was a DEBATE where both sides were given and four different arguments were debated. But hey, you asked for it your choice not to read it... Just because you can fantasize how natural selection (an observable process) might play a role in your Evolution theory (an unobservable process) doesn't make me want to believe in your fantasy. Living beings are way too complex to happen by ANY number of "beneficial" mutations (another unobservable process). Even a single cell is way too complex to say it happened by random chance. By the way, which came first: the cell itself, the instructions to build a copy of the cell (DNA), or the machinery that follows the instructions (RNA)? And even the simplest cells are much more complex that that. In your Evolutionary fantasy they all magically appear at the same instant on a planet with no oxygen (oxydized life dies) somewhere with no sunlight (without oxygen UV kills life). So, because you believe through evidence or argument means you don't believe it? Huh? Sounds like what I have been saying. Evolution is a belief system. You believe you know what happened in the past, but you don't know because you (nor anyone else for that matter) has observed it. At least what I believe now reliable eyewitnesses have observed. They are reliable because it is historical fact they DIED giving their testimony. I used to believe in Evolution too, but only because of what others told me. Once I started studying though it became quite clear that Evolution was completely impossible.
The entire scientific community, While they may disagree on the intricacies, Agrees that evolution is a fact and that natural selection is the engine of it. While you may be pompus and big headed enough to think that you know more about science that the entire scientific community, the rest of us are humble enough to acknowledge that they do in fact know what they are talking about. And it shouldn't take an adult very long to come to the conclusion, After looking at the evidence and reasoning behind it that evolution is actually a fact and it makes perfect sense. And your "theory" requires something of infinite complexity. We still win! No matter how complex a cell is it pails in insignificance when compared to the complexity of the invisible man in the sky who, Even after being in existence for eternity, Only decided to make the earth 6000 years ago. But in all honesty, If you don't believe something because it's a bit complex i think you should go back to grade school, Or even better yet, The dark ages. The 21st century has no place for people like you. That is your theory. You are the one who believes it all magically appeared in an instant. yeah i'm sure you and your basic level of education can come to far more reliable conclusions than the entire scientific community.
Wow, amazing to see how much bad information there is regarding the Bible, evolution and what "science" supposedly has proven. If many of you would simply do some research it would be easy to see there are many scientists today, and in the past, who believe in the Bible and that we were created by God and have not "evolved". Look here: http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/articles_debates/holroyd_article.htm There are so many articles and sites like this on the web. Many, many well educated people believe that God alone created mankind. But the education of this world really means nothing other than that I was taught and trained by other humans, who were taught and trained by other humans, etc. Human who only possess limited knowledge unless they are born again of God's Spirit. If you look at my first post here, you will see I didn't have my eyes opened to the reality of God until I was 32 years old. I really didn't care about God or religion because I just though it was all garbage. Now I know better! Ask yourselves some tough questions. "Why does the concept of God and the Bible make me so mad or so apathetic?" "What really is my purpose here in this world?" "Where will I go when I die?" "If I understand the fact that getting wasted on drugs and alcohol is bad for my body, my life in general and it affects everyone around me than why do I need to keep doing it? Why is life so bad that I need to take something harmful to me to escape it?" I was a big druggie an alcoholic for many years but the worst "drug" of all for me was "MONEY". It fools you as you think you can buy happiness. You can't and it is hard to believe it is so. It has always been that way. Take an hour out of your life and read the book of Ecclesiastes and see what a former King who had it all; Women, Money, Power, Fame, etc. came to realize how empty it all was in the end. "Vanity, vanity, all is vanity!" Neil K. "Wha does it profit you if you gain the whole word and lose your soul?" - Jesus
No offence, But if i want to hear about science who do you think i'm going to turn to? A scientist? Or an ex-drug addict and alcoholic christian? The rest of your post is nothing more than wishy washy preaching, So i chose to ignore it.
When I was a kid I didn't believe God created it all, I was thinking like you - the Bible makes no sense. I went even further. I was trying to prove others that God does not exist. I used to say stupid things like: "If there is God let Him kill me right now." then as you can guess He didn't kill me and I was proud I proved my point. That was wrong and foolish on my part. Later on I discovered that in addition to the things that we see with our own eyes there are much more things that we cannot see (or understand) because we don't have certain "spiritual gifts or capabilities" or the knowledge to comprehend. One day probably you'll found out "miracles" do exist.
So where is this alleged quorum of the entire scientific community? How often and where do they meet to discuss their "conclusions"? How many dissented from this alleged consensus and why? Or did someone else like TV tell you there was consensus and you believed them? And why should consensus matter? Consensus isn't science. True science has proven reigning consensus wrong many times in the past. Since you obviously did not read this before about consensus science I will copy it here. http://www.pssiinternational.com/resources.php You seem to like repeating "invisible man in the sky" like it's insult? Yet you believe everything began with "non-existent nothing in the sky" or it existed eternally. Believing in the supernatural power of Nothing is more absurd than believing in God and is disproved by the law of cause and effect, and the universe existing eternally is disproved by the law of entropy. Please, for more information on these arguments begin by reading the following links. Here is another version of the Cosmological Argument, easier reading than the debate. http://www.themoorings.org/apologetics/theisticarg/cosmolarg/cosmol.html Second Law of Thermodynamics (entropy) http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-thermodynamics.html More on these arguments... http://www.godevidences.net/space/lawsofscience.php I know what I believe. Do you know what you believe? It is NOT a fact, nor is it true science.
We don't need the entire scientific community to meet to know as a whole they believe evolution just like we don't need them to meet up to know they all believe in gravity. I love how you quoted the creator of jurassic park to prove your point. is that the most credible evidence you could find? I tell it like i see it. I'm not going to dignify what they believe by even referring to it as "god" unless it makes typing my post easier. Where i can i prefer to refer to it as the invisible man in the sky. After all, That is what it is. The "law" of cause and effect? So what "cause" gave rise to the creation of the invisible man in the sky? Or is it only other peoples ideas that are bound by this "law"? Of course, My idea allows for cause an effect. I haven't said that the big bang wasn't caused by something, But you are saying "god" can come in to creation without a cause. Would you like to retract your claim that everything is bound by the "law" of cause and effect now? I don't see how you can continue believing in the invisible man in the sky and claim cause and effect is a law. If you think evolution isn't fact and isn't science i would hate to hear what you have to say to those crack pots who thinks god done it.... whats that? you are one of them crack pots? Interesting.
I don't believe the earth was made only 6,000 years ago. Science tells me it was made millions, if not billions of years ago. Col
Actually, it is what the Bible tells me. If you read it entirely and study it. Applying all the scriptures. Not just picking one or two out of context. Col