Google AdSenseTM Online Standard Terms and Conditions Prohibited Uses. You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: (iv) redirect an end user away from any Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page; provide a version of the Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page that is different from the page an end user would access by going directly to the Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page; intersperse any content between the Ad and the Advertiser Page, between the page containing the Search Box and the Search Results Page, or between the Referral Button and the Referral Page; or otherwise provide anything other than a direct link from an Ad to an Advertiser Page, from the page containing the Search Box to the Search Results Page, or from the Referral Button to the Referral Page; https://www.google.com/adsense/static/en_US/LocalizedTerms2.html Webmaster Guidelines AdSense publishers are required to adhere to the webmaster quality guidelines posted at http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html: Quality guidelines - basic principles Don't use cloaking or sneaky redirects. Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
Did you even read the part you bolded? We don't redirect end users away from advertiser pages at any time, nor do we redirect them away from search pages. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here, but i've had the same adsense account since 2002. None of my clients have had an adsense account banned doing this in over a year of the software being on the market. We aren't new to this by any means. Yes, the webmaster guidelines tell you not to use cloaking. The thow away 88 cent domains you buy WILL get banned at some point several months down the road after they have made you thousands of dollars. I don't know what point you are trying to make, but you have failed at it. None of this is news to anyone that is serious about seo or black hat seo. There are dozens of software packages similar to ours that have been on the market for years. Ours is innovative because of the ip based cloaking instead of the usual user agent based cloaking. We also have a unique content system and a complete stats tracking and domain management platform all packaged nicely together.
Ahh, that's the part I was confused about -- how traffic to the Adsense landing page was driven from all the auto generated pages. So when someone clicks on a link to one of the auto generated pages from the SERPs, they're automatically forwarded to the Adsense page? Or is it by some other mechanism?
Correct, it sounds like you get the idea of it. On top of that the ssec site in the middle is ip cloaked so we use a header redirect before the page loads. This means the referrer information is carried over from the first site and not the ssec site. So the page with adsense ads on it sees google, yahoo, or msn as the referrer in the server logs instead of the cloaked page in the middle. Like I said earlier, cloaking is by no means new. We simply have a better system of doing it. Anyone that has cloaked before knows that the site you send the traffic to is not going to get banned or penalized. If that were the case I would setup a few hundred cloaked sites and point them at my competition in the serps to knock them out. It doesn't work that way
learn how to read before you post. the adsense tos told you to not violate the webmaster guidelines... so you admit to deliberately and illegally breaking the adsense tos for your own financial gain. you signed a legally binding contract with google, which you not only broke, but also told others how to break as well.
Go crawl back under your rock. Do you have any experience with ANY of this? No, you don't, yet you continue to argue with people that have years of experience doing this very thing. Is google suddenly the internet police? No. Do you understand the meaning of a guideline? A guideline is not a rule or law, it's simply a suggestion by definition. Most of the large companies on the net have cloaked, been caught cloaking, or currently do cloak their sites to some degree. Google still has multi million dollar contracts with each of them.
wrong... the bolded text in the adsense tos says search results pages. stop lying to us about what you do... your sig link is to a black hat blog. you didn't sign a guideline, you signed a legally binding contract with google, which you have admitted to breaking. i do agree that ip cloaking is common, even yahoo has done it, but that's not relevant to this thread.
They are speaking of the adsense search results pages which HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. You should seriously consider reading the entire section along with the surrounding text. No one is being taken away from an adsense advertiser or an adsense search page at any time. Come back when you have your facts straight. How is ip cloaking performed by the search engines themselves irrelevant to a thread about ip cloaking? Isn't your entire argument based on the assumption that ip cloaking is somehow wrong? How have I lied about a single thing on here? Show me one lie..... I'm VERY up front with my customers. I regularly turn people away that either don't know what they are doing, or are simply not a good match for the system.
Dude, seems to me you have lots of free time and you want to turn this into a WH Vs BH thread. Well here is what I say: -Wanna make an extra cool monthly income using Brian's stuff shoot him a PM. -You don't like BH, move on and there are millions of threads here on DP where to kill some free time .
adsense is not a search engine so there is no such thing as adsense search results pages. this thread is not about using search engines as an excuse to justify black hat scammer tactics. my gripe is, how come you didn't tell us from the beginning that your software violates the adsense tos?
no, i'm not... google itself is far from perfect when it comes to corporate morality. i just object to people who can't be upfront about what they do. if it's a black hat scammer tactic, TELL US THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE THREAD.
You've never heard of adsense for search? Seriously? There is an entire section of every adsense account for their search program that you can integrate into your site. Any talk of search in their TOS refers to their adsense for search program. Our software 100 percent in no way violates any current google adsense terms of service. No one has EVER been kicked by adsense doing what I described in the initial post here. The only thing I caution people about is using adsense DIRECTLY on auto generated pages. There is a chance your account can get canceled for such behavior. I do not suggest anyone use adsense in such a way. Again though, that isn't what we do, and it isn't what we support. so once again, I pose my same question to you. Show me a TOS violation, OR a place in which I wasn't 100 percent up front and honest. Good luck!
it doesn't search adsense like you claimed, lol... it puts adsense ad blocks on the search results pages. 1) you admitted that your software uses ip cloaking 2) i proved that ip cloaking is a direct violation of the adsense tos what else is there to discuss?
1. The ssec software works. 2. You will make money using it. 3. It is not spam, and does not mislead anyone, or bring visitors to a site they don't want. Here is how it works, simply: I have a fan site about Brad Pitt. It already has adense on it. I join ssec, make a .info about brad pitt. ssec creates many pages around brad pitt content. Someone searches for some random brad pitt keyword. My ssec site ranks and show up in the SE for that term. ---> web surfer clicks on that site ---> ends up on my Brad Pitt site. Getting that user via ssec is no different that buying an adwords ad for the same keyword and directing the user to your site. No ads or anything are on the ssec generated site. If you are not comfortable doing it, then don't.
Of course it doesn't SEARCH adsense. Who said that? It's a product of adsense and is what they refer to in their terms of service. Are you seriously done yet? All you've proven is that you have no idea what you are talking about. We've had well over 100 completely satisfied users of our system. None of these people have had any problems with adsense or any other account. If you personally as a user do not wish to use the software with adsense, then that is a personal decision. You can also use it to drive traffic to affiliate programs (which is what most people do since there is FAR more potential for income there). You can also drive traffic to existing white hat sites with the software. It doesn't rely on or revolve around adsense, it's just one potential use.
There's two things that bug me about this whole deal. First, if it makes you so much money why do you need to lease your software at $69 per month? Seems to me, if you get just 100 people interested you make $6,900 per month. So how much do you really make off the implementation if you need to make that much off the software? I know, it's your prerogative to sell the software ... but it does sound like a 'How I made $10,000 in 10 days' e-book strategy. Secondly, it seems you need to run the software on a dedicated server at another $69 per month. And that's for a year subscription. So if you're not happy with the system, you stop leasing the software but you still got the dedicated hosting to contend with. So my question is how many sites do you need to cover your expenses and how long does it take Google to zap your SEPRs for those sites?
danimal - Apparently you have no idea wtf you are talking about. we don't use adsense on the freaking cloaked page so it is not violating the adsense TOS. End of story. Go do some research and find out how it works before you post next time....
Gazu - I spend 69 a month on software and about 40 a month on a vps, work about 3 to 5 hours a week on the software and it makes me about 600 to 800 a month.