Why India dont take hard decisions against pakistan ???

So many terrorist attacks from Pakistan.The whole world know that Pak support most of the terrorist camps.Pakistan has no right on kashmir still claims it.Even if India talk peace they don't.

Also only 3% of Kahmiris want to b with Pakistan.check this article.

What u guys think of it?

 

The stupid post.....

You think India times article as credible source on a topic where India itself is a party.....

 

How do you know that ?

 

India Try To Establish Peace Every Time But Pak Refused To Do SO.......Instead Of Spreading Peace They Are Creating More Troubles

 

Oh really...? And your dad told this breaking news to you earlier in the morning at breakfast?

 

Anyone believing such partial and biased polls must be silly. I'd not approve a poll which is not held by UN and in whole of Kashmir, not just some districts.

I can held this size of poll from my pocket money in 2-3 districts of Azad Kashmir, and from my personal experience of 4+ years in Kashmir and conversation to many many Kashmirirs .. I'd say poll will have approx results, something like:

With Pakistan: 90%
Independence: 5%
Not sure: 3%
With India: 2%

Even though I never met any Kashmiri in Azad Kashmir who wants to be with India, but I still kept 2% ratio which is fairly high.

By the way, in 2 (other) districts ratio of people want independence can be high and up to 30% ..

And why don't India take hard decisions against Pakistan? May be they have realized from a number of wars that war is never a solution to any dispute, especially when both parties have nukes.

By the way, what you think is the reason?

Can you point to me an explicit statement where Pakistan said they refuse to make peace?

By the way, welcome to P&R section. Are you here on invite?

 

So better stay out of it.

Yes i do.

Hmm,the whole world knows the truth.

 

More pearls of stupidity...

keep going dude..........

 

The Indian leadership are realists, that's why they don't take the "hard decisions" their citizens want them to take, but the majority of Indians and Pakistanis are still living in the past and don't realize that the days of territorial conquest are over.

 

What kind of Hard decision do you want from Indian govt to take?
Going on full fledged war? That wont serve any purpose other than many will be dead from both sides. Thats not a solution. War wont solve this only peaceful talks will..


If we can solve Kashmir issue peacefully it will solve 90% of the problems.
Both India and Pakistan know that there is no other solution than to accept LOC as international border. Everyone knows it and accepts it. Majority of people in POK do not want to be in India and majority of people in J&K do not want to be in Pakistan.
The only problem is no one is there with enough confidence to make it reality.


We are not bothered with POK for last 60 years so why now?
Just accept the reality and move on. Both nations has got plenty of problem to deal with and plenty of opportunity to grow. If we work together with hate for each other we can grow without limits..


I'm sure once Pakistan is more stable politically there will be talks about it as India has given the hint that we are ready to accept LOC as international border.

 

Its more about Kashmiris rather than India or Pakistan. Kashimiris are the direct victim. SO why dont we ask them what they want. According to UN resolution we can have an independent poll under UN from the people of Kashmir. I dont think any other solution will be acceptable to all three parties of the issue.

Accepting LOC as international Border is like accepting Indian occupation on Indian held Kashmir which is neither acceptable to Kashmiris not to Pakistan.

 

Taking hard decisions against pakistan maybe lead more terrorist attacks

 

I'd say even more.

You know what major benefit this will give to both countries? Our next generation will have much less hatred (hard feelings or whatever) for other country. This is what we need badly to grow economically.

True. This is the prediction I have been making since my childhood

ps. Even if Kashmir issue is resolved, Pakistan will still have to face this new terrorism stream
Damn. I don't know when the time to concentrate on economy will come

 

And may be to Hindus in Azad Kashmir as well. I am pretty sure they would love to live with India.

But, what do to then? If you wanna stick with UN Resolutions, write a note from that India will never let than happen.

And I can't see any other solution.

 

We can debate all the day on this issue mud slinging each other and will end up without any feasible solution.. This debate has been going on for last 60 years..

Majority of Kashmiris do not, and I repeat do not want to be in Pakistan or independent. Yes there is a minor %age that wants be to be independent, but people who wants to be in Pakistan are event less.

The same goes with POK. a small % there wants to be independent and even less wants to be in India.

I tell you, The only thing Kashmiris want is peace and development. They are tired. They want a permanent solution.

Pakistan, Leaders in Kashmir and India all expressed their feelings that making LOC as international border and end all the hatred is only way.

There is no other solution period.
We can keep fighting and hating each other on a proxy issue for generations.
It wont help anyone. And it is very well accepted to Pakistan and Kashmiris.

One of my closet friends is Kashmiri Muslim, His father is in active politics and he knows better than you and me about the Kashmir and I trust his opinion.

Exactly, and it will be best for everyone..

Yepp, thats really worrisome. Things are turning bad really fast.

 

Thats matter of choice then.

1- We need to stick with what is "Justice" (Not our Justice but an agreed upon UN resolution)

2- We should "realize" the ground realities and let the justice be down....

Its a typical situation where a land mafia holds your piece of land. Now you are told either to take money and shut up or go to court for justice.

Court orders in your favour but the land mafia is so strong that they refuse to accept those court orders.

So you can either hold your original case and wait to things change inyour favour or take some money that mafia is giving you and forget about your land. Whats your choice?

P.S i am not saying India as "Land mafia" . Just giving an example for "Idiot Inside" to give him understanding of my thoughts on the issue.

 

Thats not a matter of choice, thats the matter of options.
As I stated above, Kashmiris do not want to be in Pakistan. And UN resolution is a past thing that neither Pakistan nor India is willing to obey fully.

UN resolution asks Pakistan to withdraw its troops and control over POK, that Pakistan is not going to do ever. As well as India is not going to hold an election over independence issue.

Kashmiris know that being independent will not serve them any purpose. Being in India provide them many opportunities and safe place.
Majority of Muslims in India want to be in India including Kashmiris. All they want is development and betterment of their community.

So it high time that we put an end on the proxy issue and accept the reality. Make the LOC as international border and try to grow together peacefully.

 

Mate, though your example doesn't really fit this situation but I really understand what you mean.

I am also a fan of UN Resolutions and would love to let Kashmiris decide about their future but ... *sigh*

If thats not happening, what to do now? 60 years passed India doesn't seems to held the poll, i am dead sure even 600 years passes they won't held it. Because they know they will loose even a large (Muslims majority) part of Kashmir from 'Jammu & Kashmir'

Do you want to stick with the same situation and wait until India agrees to fulfill the UN resolutions? Ya, thats what we are doing from last 60 years .. but I don't see any return.

Man, Look at China .. they were established 2 years after Pakistan and India .. now look at their economy. India and Pakistan have largest growing economies in the world, respectively, after China .. imagine where we could be if we don't have to spend 70% of our budget on Army.

And to address your example, If that occupied land seems to be affecting my next generation, my other 90% of lands (economy) indirectly .. And mafia is strong enough to refuse court orders ..
I'd take their offer of money and pass and concentrate on my rest 90% of land (economy) and my next generation .. I will try to make myself stronger enough to encounter any future attack from any stronger mafia .. (allied forces? USA?) ..

Mate, i dislike the roll of India in East Pakistan 10 times more than what they did in Kashmir (@The Webmaster, i don't want to start debate again.), but what to do? Its the real world, you have to compromise.

 

Thats your opinion that kashmiris do not wan to be with Pakistan. My opinion is opposite to it. So to find the truth whats harm in implementing the UN resolutin and ask directly to people of Kashmir.

Till today, Pakistan has an official stand to implement the UN resolution. Pakistan has not deployment of troops like India in its part of Kashmir (India has 700,000 troops). So again its not question of Pakistan to withdraw the troops but the acceptance of India to do the poll under the UN.

I dont know why you Indian are so afraid of UN Poll. it will not be conducted by Pakistan after all....right?

Again you are stating your own opinion. let Kashimiris choice if they want to be Independent, with Pakistan or with India.....again under UN conducted poll.

how come you divide a nation in two parts. Wall of Berlin had to fall. There will be divided families and people on both side so it will be never a great solution.

 

I have no objection on compromise. But do kashmiris ready on this? I mean they are the victim and final decider. For the sake of benefits you counted, if Pakistan accept the LOC but what if Kashmiris dont accept it?

can you see peace by crushing people's rights of self determination?

Its not question of people being in Pakistan or India, its the question of Kashmiris.