chulium, chulium, chulium You are deluded by your nationalism. People have every right to form their own opinions on a war without you attempting to bully them into doubting their own minds. How the fuck can you support troops when you blindly support any war they are sent to? We support troops by only sending them into harms way for honorable and just reasons, don't you care about the 'mistakes' that resulted in your beloved troops being killed? Don't you remember when young men and women were sent to war after being told their mission would only last a few months? What about their mission? What was their mission? Have they achieved it? Why has the mission changed? What is the mission now? Who are they fighting? Who are they fighting for? Has America benefited from this war? Why has it not benefited? Why does the world view this war as a foreign policy mistake? Who made this mistake and why are they not being held to account? The US death toll is on an upward trend still but the politicians and journalists seem to have more important news to report. 100 troops dead in june, how many will it be in July? Does it matter, as long as the 'mission' is accomplished. What was the mission? You love war, not troops. You are a nationalist, not a patriot.
So we can put you in the same category as Gworld, AGS, stOx and a quite a few others that are rooting for al qaida? Considering who you, gworld, ags and stOx are cheering for, does that make you all hypocrites? Just saying...
If the administration really feared al Qaeda they would have sent a few hundred thousand troops into Afghanistan not just a few thousand.
Nice deflection. I'm always excited to see what (and who) you take exception with and what you don't It really does speak volumes, doesn't it? 25,000 isn't a few thousand. Perhaps you haven't heard, but the taliban is no longer in control of Afghanistan.
Part of my unit was sliced off to serve in Afghanistan. I wish you could talk to them about how many troops were needed.
If I read your original comment correctly, it almost seems as if you believe al qaida wasn't a threat in the first place? Is that correct? Didn't you once elude to the train of thought that 9/11 was an inside job?
I'm not sure what your point is with these questions. Are you asking my opinion on something? If so, just state it.
My apologies, I believed them to be reasonably easy questions. I'll try to expand. My perception of what you originally wrote, to deflect away from PalSys's comments that you didn't take exception with, was that you did not feel like al qaida was a threat. I came to this conclusion when you noted: Thus, the follow on questions: ...to better understand if you actually felt al qaida was a threat? Not unreasonable, as I believe when you first showed up, you eluded or said words to the effect that you thought 9/11 was an inside job. Do the questions make better sense now? If you'd prefer not to answer them, I'll understand.
Since you seem bent on taking the OPs thread off topic. Let our government's administration be a guide as to how much of a threat they thought al Qaeda was/is. As far as 9/11, I am fairly sure I clearly stated my opinion already. Which you are aware of since you "alluded" to it.
Actually, you took it this direction. I simply followed your lead. Guess you'd prefer not to talk about that either. What a surprise
Do you have something you would like to say or ask? Don't refer me to other threads/posts, if you have something to say or ask, just say it.
I spend 24/7 rooting for the Iraqi people. They are the only ones truly threatened on a daily basis by Al-Qaida and the other Iraq-based groups of terrorists. I'm so very firmly against acts of terror that you can't possibly paint me otherwise, no matter how hard you try. But my lack of support for terror is universal, and there is no way that I could support the US in their bloody endeavor any more then I could support the maniacs who have committed attacks on America and other countries. Bravo! No matter who tells you differently there is a huge troop shortage in Afghanistan. And with both Canada and the Dutch leaving shortly, that shortage is going to be far more pronounced. We'll see what the US administration does in 2009 when the world's civilized nations leave. If you think for a second that it's reasonable to call Al-Qaida a threat to American society, you're crazy. The Bloods, Crips, KKK and hundreds of other homegrown terrorists organizations have killed many more of your people and continue to live in your own country! Fat chance of that.
Palsys: It's easy to pontificate. Your country was not attacked. It seems to me that Al-Qaeda is a threat to more than my society, or yours. It's a threat to me personally, to my son, to my wife. It doesn't seek my country, my country's wealth, or my culture. It seeks my end. I disagree with this President and with the policies that have ensued under his regime. But I do not for one second believe Al-Qaeda and its ilk is anything other than a fundamental threat to civilization itself. I think Chulium's logic is deeply flawed, as I said above. I also think it is deeply naive, at best, to hold the view: and a useless bit of diatribe, that accomplishes nothing, to: I agree we have been imperial, arrogant and idiotic in the extreme to believe we were the world's modern hegemon, that we could do whatever the hell we wish, the community of nations be damned; in the case of Iraq, to ignore centuries of accumulated social schisms lying in wait under the surface, only needing a match to set the fire. But it does no good to wish for blood in the hope America gets its "comeuppance." Unless you simply hate us as a people. If so, have the courage to say so.
I never said I wished death upon American soldiers. In fact, I said the opposite in the very same post that you took only half off a quote from. I don't hate anyone, but Americans need to be taught a lesson for the betterment of the world. That lesson happens to be Iraq.
Apologies, I have misread you. You are saying that the best thing for the globe is for America to be handed a decisive defeat, its soldiers humiliated, as a kind of bitter but necessary pill. You have also said: -and so forth. In other words, you scorn my country and its people. That about right?
Where do you get this from? USA is controlling many countries in middle east, south America and the rest of the world where US embassy is the real government of those countries. These countries are run by oppressive governments that serve the economic interest of USA. Intellectual in these countries and oppressed people in these countries start to fight against these oppressive governments and their master which is USA. It has got nothing to do with you as a person, it has everything to do with USA's foreign policy and economical interest of US corporations.
Like all the other presidents of USA. Comfortably at night. Just look up Bush Sr who lead the invasion of Panama, so many died, US media didn't even cover it in detail. Bush Jr has brought the same people into the office to help him. They used communist...now Islamist.
I'm sure you will feel better when it's 7,000 more who died in vain trying to make up for the 3,500 who are already gone. In case you missed it, there are no WMDs. Saddam has been overthrown. They have a democratically elected government. What exactly is left to do? Keep boosting Al Queda recruitment by occupying a sovereign nation?
Unfortunately, we didn't learn it in Korea, or Vietnam. When we elect idiots into office, we're doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.