Given that you've never done anything for your country, I'd have to agree with you. I'd say you were an expert in this area.
Oh My God. I do love our troops. I was "our troops". I served multiple tours in iraq from '03 to '06. How will more deaths accomplish anything? Even if the sectarian violence slows down, what have we accomplished? Will quelling the violence mean that our troops have not died in vain? Do you really believe that our troops serve so that civilians admire them? And how will it lower morale to leave a "war" where our troops are dying without a real purpose. Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Our troops are not stupid. They know that the sectarian violence dates back to the 7th century; and they know we are not likely to end it. Why keep losing our men and women? Final thought: to the people that believe we should stay in that country, have you ever seen a person blown up? (not on the news/internet) If not, then you really shouldn't be condemning our troops to it.
I'm seriously considering putting you on ignore GTwat. I think having any kind of reasonable discussion with you is impossible. Firstly i though you may not have the intelligence to understand something slightly complicated, So i gave you the benefit of the doubt and explained it to you. But after explaining it a number of times i have to come to the conclusion that you are simply the lowest of the low, A loud mouth, a liar, You are devious and you don't even possess the integrity that would prevent any decent human being telling such plain faced lies. Why be right when you can be a loud obnoxious liar, Right?
Well, call me ignorant, stubborn, and arrogant, but this isn't my logic, and I am a vet. To mourn the loss of service lives already lost in what is, in my considered view, a wrongheaded quagmire, is every bit the reason why I do not want a single additional mother to receive a visit; another younger brother to lose out on the lifelong lessons from his older brother; a father to ask why his young daughter, so full of selfless zeal and idealism, was squandered in such a reckless way. Let's be plain, Chulium. What you are saying is that more people need to go there, and die, because others have already died. Do you not find this logic just a bit flawed? And from the vantage point of one who isn't going to die, just a bit facile? Please do not leap to accusations of being a "lefty" on the order of Anthony, AGS, or their ilk. I give a damn. It is out of honor to the men and women who serve that every day that passes, I grow in indignant anger at the mindlessness of this venture. ps: posted before I read tarponkeith's post (above, #22). Listen to him.
Not true. I send care packages, help out the wives with questions, and offer to send things to our wounded. I care about our troops. How does not wanting to see our troops die, mean that I don't care about them? If anything, it means I do care about them.
Well said It's refreshing to hear the opinions of the veterans who visit the forum, especially when they are so very right!
I don't want to see our troops die either, but that's different from loving and appreciating our troops for their sacrifices. It's great that you support the troops so much, it really is. I'm more or less addressing those like GAGS, AnthonyCEA, and others that just think our troops are turkeys, even though they PRETEND to love our troops... I was just trying to make a point.
I could not have put that any better myself. All these Rambo PC fools sat in the comfort of their own homes cheerleading for this BS "war." They need to get off their arses and get over there, but that will never happen so we will unfortunately have to listen to their crap here. Fools.
Another great point. Anyone who would take up the cheer should have taken up a gun long ago; anyone who hasn't is absolutely nothing short of a hypocrite.
I kid you not - I am sitting next to enrollment packets sent to me TODAY from the Marines. I'm not quite old enough to enroll yet, but I will next month. At that point, I'll be planning out my future with my folks and working out some details. I have every intention to someday join the military and actively supporting the country.
Don't worry, soon the queen of cheer leaders squad (Gtech) and the other sissy cheer leaders will declare you either a pro terrorist or a terrorist for not going along with their cheer leading act.
I've butt heads with GTech before in other threads, in a civilized manner; no name calling. I see his point of view and understand where he's coming from. Just a difference of opinion...
And for your service, I salute you. Our troops are there to serve a (many, actually) purpose, to defend our freedom and destroy our enemy, among others. Yes, troops will have to die, but consider that the death toll in this war is the lowest it's been in many: WW2, Vietnam, etc, all had exponentially more fatalities than this war. While I grieve troop losses, we need to remember that they died heroically and not take advantage of their death or wound or even unhindered service by pulling out, retreating, and giving in to what our enemy wants. You think our enemy WANTS us in there, depleting their supply lines? Scrambling communications? Foiling their attacks? NO! They want us out. We cannot leave until they admit defeat, which they never will....
No offense, but if this is really how you're viewing the conflict, you're making a major mistake; I'll explain why. Never underestimate your enemy. A lot of people quote that to sound like Rambo or something, but it's very true. Don't you think the Iraqi's are smart enough to know what's going on politically in the US? They do have internet cafe's in Baghdad. They know that the violence is keeping our troops there, and they know if they stopped placing bombs for a few months, we (the US army) would leave. They don't want that. They like having us in that country. Our convoys are easy targets. They get to place bombs right down the road from their house and kill American's, then get a home cooked meal that night. Why would they want us to leave that country?
No sir, the troops will never leave because this whole thing is a sham created by corrupt heroes that you cheer for (Bush, Cheney etc.) to control a major part of the Middle East on top of Israel, which is bought and paid for by the U.S.A. The poor troops out there getting killed every single day are being killed for nothing, wasted lives in their prime. And people like you and GTech (amongst many others here) all cheerlead for them. You should be ashamed of yourself chulium.
What a piece of crap. Are you trying to take little willy's (the xbox general) place and pretend that you know something about military operations? What supply lines are you depleting? What attacks are you foiling? Are you talking about the insurgent's long range stealth bombers that run daily attacks on USA and how the USA's ground forces trying to destroy the gas depots and the airports?
That is such a faulty arguement to keeping our troops in harms way. I hate to put lives in economic terms but the reality is your arguement relies on the sunk-cost fallacy: "When one makes a hopeless investment, one sometimes reasons: I can’t stop now, otherwise what I’ve invested so far will be lost. This is true, of course, but irrelevant to whether one should continue to invest in the project. Everything one has invested is lost regardless. If there is no hope for success in the future from the investment, then the fact that one has already lost a bundle should lead one to the conclusion that the rational thing to do is to withdraw from the project." http://skepdic.com/sunkcost.html It is time to bring the men and women of our nation's armed forces home. To do otherwise will only bring about more needless deaths.
The sad thing is that is 100% not going to happen, and you can quote me on that. All the troops dying over there are dying on the basis of a massive lie, the people controlling Bush must be laughing their asses off at how easy it is to manipulate the sheeple.
I hope you are wrong, only time will tell. I wonder if any of them feel an once of guilt over what they have done. Do you think Bush realizes he is a puppet? If so I wonder how he sleeps at night.