God or Nature ?

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  1. alaska88

    alaska88 Peon

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    #41
    Could you tell me where in the Koran it says that?

    because i know that it is prohibited ,small or large quantities:

    "O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed. Satan seeketh only to cast among you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink and games of chance, and to turn you from remembrance of Allah and from (His) worship. Will ye then have done?" (Al-Ma'idah: 90-91)
     
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  2. KingofKings

    KingofKings Banned

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    #42
    By the way i got another Question to ask you guys instead of posting a new thread cause it's almost as same as this thread.
    most people ask the question : If theres a god , who created god then ?
    well my question is : If god is the nature , who created Nature ?
     
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  3. qwestcommunications

    qwestcommunications Notable Member

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    #43
    If you don't believe in god, who created the universe. If the universe created by itself, what was there before, how long was it there? These are mind boggling questions.
     
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  4. aletheides

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    #44
    How did a bird evolve to fly?

    Did a create just start jumping off of cliffs and dying enough times to where it somehow started to develop wings?
     
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  5. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Evolution of birds
    How do bird fly

    Read and learn.
     
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  6. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #46
    I read the first link but didnt read the second as it explains how birds fly and thats irrelevant.

    It basically says that birds evolved from dinosaur birds - but this however doesnt answer much...

    "But not all scientists agree with the birds-from-dinosaurs link. Alan Feduccia, professor of biology at the University of North Carolina, is a noteable doubter.

    He contends that Archaeopteryx wasn't the ancestor of all birds, but just another of nature's many experiments. He argues that a huge evolution of birds had been going on before[italics] Archaeopteryx, and that they evolved from four-legged forest reptiles.... (Al Edit: for legged forest reptiles who got very tired of falling off of steep cliffs)

    The ancestors of all today's birds evolved later, he says, between 65 and 53 million years ago, independently of the dinosaurs. This is the "big bang theory" of birds. Feduccia and his fellow sceptics - it must be stressed they are in the minority - regard any similarity between birds and dinosaurs as an example of convergent evolution, by which two independent groups grow to look alike...

    While scientists continue to debate exactly where birds came from, nobody denies that their subsequent success in colonising the planet has been immense."

    What do you mean they continue to debate about where birds come from? DONT THEY KNOW IT WAS A BIG BANG OF BIRDS!
     
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  7. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #47
    Let's make it simpler than that for you.
    The evolution of birds is the same in certain comparison with the evolution of the humans.
    We are humans, they are birds. We have arms, they have wings.
    Hard to understand ?
    Now ask me how was the human being evolved to not walk like a monkey...
     
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    komirad Well-Known Member

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    #49
    Flight is a complex process and certainly doesnt happen by accident - you can talk to the Wright brothers about that one.

    But according to the research you gave me, one theory says that millions of years ago there was a "big bang of birds" and one day a certain creature somehow developed the ability to fly.
     
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    komirad Well-Known Member

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    #50
    Think flying squirrels
     
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  11. Idiot Inside

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    #51

    Mate, I might have some to present, but may be you simply say its not miracle.

    Can you tell me what you call a miracle? If Quran said something 1400 years ago, and modern science of today testifies it. Would that count?


    Sorry brother, I do not agree with you. Alcohol is very very strictly prohibited in Islam. You cannot even use it for health purposes.

    From: http://www.readingislam.com/servlet...sh-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE

    So, I suggest you to do some more research and correct your beliefs. If you still want to drink, OK. But don't say that this is allowed in Islam.
     
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    #52
    It is very difficult to envisage that the universe with its complexities was not created by a superintellect, but then if there is a God, why do we have so much of injustice and repression? truly perplexing!
     
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    #53
    Because God gave us a choice. He gave us a life with freedoms. It is like law in a democratic country. We are free to do what we want (break the law) but we then have to face the consequences (prison).
     
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    #54
    Because God gave the dumb monkeys free will.
     
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    #55
    And then "god" gave us AIDS right?
     
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    #56
    How does "God" answer any of those questions?
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #57
    By Sugarcoating them.

    If we don't understand it, it must be God! Just like Lightning was, and the Sun!

    We didn't create paper! God did it! God did it! And God says "Go jump off a cliff my Lemmings!"

    *waits for the sound of impacts*
     
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    #58
    As I stated in another thread, "As complicated as the human body and mind are there had to be an intelligent design behind it without a doubt. We did not arrive here by mere chance."
     
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    #59
    AIDS was created by man.
     
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  20. syedwasi87

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    #60
    I think people get too skeptical..and at times narrow minded..these type of questions are not just those normal types like what should i do to be succesffull etc..

    these must be considered after much understanding and broad mind...even Islam asks correctly practising Muslims to respect other religions..

    Its a shame how media distorts the peaceful image..Its finally a personal decision, i dont believe in forcing others to believe something which they dont.

    I personally believe in Allah.
     
    syedwasi87, Jul 28, 2007 IP