Global warming doesn't mean that all countries will be turned into deserts. It also doesn't mean that all days have to be hot... Here is an swedish interview with Al Gore about Live Earth and the future after it. They also talk about how to fight global warming with taxes on Co2 that we have here in Sweden and other ways. Don't worry, they speak english. It's an video - you need Windows media player or Real player to see it! http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=866537
This comment and nearly everything else said in this thread is besides the point. Whether we are in danger of becoming extinct or not is debatable, but our contribution to the pollution of the Earth's atmosphere is not. Don't you think that it would be safest to give our home planet the benefit of the doubt?
Al Gore lost what little reputation he had amongst those who are not controlled. He is a has-been, a liar, and a fraud. His dis-informational movie was filled with the same tactics that are used in the 9-11 conspiracy movies. They adjusted and even flipped whole data charts for the movie he made in order to push people into believing his theory. He even backs up all of this with his own personal lifestyle that shows he doesn't really believe or care. Buying carbon credits is a joke, you are not polluting less, you are just saying someone else agreed to pollute less for you in some other country that doesn't even care about global warming because they just need food.
You shouldn't get involved in these threads, it only gets you owned. The part about my weather was actually a question to test the scientific understanding of the OP who has admitted to not being a scientist. I do know that the specific temperature in a region is not GLOBAL warming, so don't make yourself look too foolish. Also, you will find that even if we had the coolest winter globally that AL gore and gang would be saying that was expected just like in the movie - the day after tomorrow. (which BTW is a Movie.)
ok, mister the summer was mild were I live so therefore I must apply this to the whole world if you guys actually think a heat wave or cold spell where you live, or some unseasonal weather somewhere, proves or disproves global warming then you are stupid and the subject is over your head
thats correct, the gulf stream will cool and europe will not get the warmth from it. the other problem i have is the ice melting, as the arctic is pure ice and no land, when it melts it will in fact lower sea levels, as ice displaces 11 times the volume below sea level to what you see above sea level, when it melts it only fills 9 times the volume, leaving a void of 2 times that has to be filled by water from the rest of the planet.
Al Gore's an Idiot, what else? Care to ask your scientists that apart from rising water level, what else would happen if Greenland and North Pole melts?
We have 8 years on us to stop the worst effects of global warming, if we act now. If we haven't been able to reduce our fossil useage after those 8 years there is no turning back. Here is a very short summary from the Guardian on what will happen at 1ºC and 2ºC increase in global temperatures:
I have been hearing this for last 15 years.. nothing happened now, nothing will happen then.. Earth keeps getting hot and cool, this is nothing man can control. There is no perfect weather model.. every model that exists today has its flaw.. Trust me, I was more worried about global warming once than you are now.. I kept on studying and analyzing the 'facts'... Ultimately I found more of those so called 'facts' are not at all facts, but mere assumptions based on flawed analysis and models. The Doomsday prediction scientists have no idea about what will happen exactly. The data they have for analysis is nothing if you compare the age of earth.. We have no idea what had caused first and second Ice Age, We don't even know how many Ice ages earth had seen exactly. We can only assume, and I'm not going to hold my breath on some assumptions..
the UN omits evidence that does not support the UN U.N. GLOBAL CLIMATE TREATY Testimony of Patrick J. Mchaels Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and Senior Fellow in Environmental Studies at Cato Institute before the Subcommittee on International Economic Policy, Export and Trade Promotion of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee June 26, 1997 Nearly ten years ago, I testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. At that time, I argued that forecasts of dramatic and deleterious global warming were likely to be in error because of the very modest climate changes that had been observed to that date. Further, it would eventually be recognized that this more moderate climate change would be inordinately directed into the winter and night, rather than the summer, and that this could be benign or even beneficial. I testified that the likely warming, based on the observed data, was between 1.0 and 1.5* for doubling the natural carbon dioxide greenhouse effect. Since then, the global mean temperature of the earth has not warmed a bit. Three independent measuring systems (and the only three that exist) -- surface measured temperature, temperatures of the lower atmosphere measured by weather balloons, and temperature of the lower atmosphere measured by orbiting satellites-all show no warming since that testimony (see Figure 1).[OMITTED] Global Temperature Departures In science, regardless of how much external political and social pressure is applied, it is inevitable that observed data and theoretical hypotheses will eventually reach an internally consistent equilibrium. However, it was apparent that when the first "consensus" was imposed on the issue of global warming, by the First Scientific Assessment of the United Nations Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (1990), that such an equilibrium had not been reached. That report stated that "when the latest atmospheric models are run with the present concentrations of greenhouse gases, their simulation of climate is generally realistic on large scales." (1) The suite of climate models extant at the time predicted that the globe's mean temperature should have risen by 1.3* to 2.3*, with the larger figure for the Northern Hemisphere, where most of us live. These models provided the technical background for the Framework Convention on Climate Change, signed in 1992. The observed warming since the late 19th century was 0.5*, or less than one-third of the predicted value. Critics argued, as I did before this Committee, that there would have to be a dramatic reduction in the forecast of future warming in order to reconcile fact and hypothesis. By 1995, in its second full Assessment of Climate Change, the IPCC admitted the validity of the critics' position: "When increases in greenhouse gases only are taken into account ... most [climate models] produce a greater mean warming than has been observed to date, unless a lower climate sensitivity [to the greenhouse effect] is used ... There is growing evidence that increases in sulfate aerosols are partially counteracting the [warming] due to increases in greenhouse gases." (2) I believe the secular translation of this statement is that either it is not going to warm up as much as was previously forecast, or something is hiding the warming. I predict every attempt will be made to demonstrate the later before admitting that former is true.[1] Such attempts were made, and initial results, particularly those published in Nature on July 4, 1996 (3), appeared to bolster the argument that the sulfates were masking the expected warming. That particular study used annual weather balloon data from 1963 through 1987. Most striking was a rapid warming of the middle of the Southern Hemisphere, where there in fact are virtually no sulfates available to counter greenhouse warming. [1] However, one of the United Kingdom's most prominent modelers, who surely does not want his name revealed, informed me in Asheville, North Carolina on June 5, 1997 that "it appears we have over-estimated the sensitivity of the climate to greenhouse changes." However, when the entire record of weather balloon data, from 1958 through 1995, was used, this most pronounced region of warming turned out to show no change whatsoever (4) (Figure 2).[OMITTED] In response to this, the senior author of the original study told the December meeting of the American Geophysical Union that the correspondence between the sulfate/greenhouse model and reality vanished because greenhouse warming had overwhelmed sulfate cooling since 1987. As there was no net change in any of the temperature records in the last decade (Figure 1), this statement was clearly wrong. In an on-line discussion recently published, the explanation is now given that sulfate cooling "leaked" into the Southern Hemisphere, or exactly the opposite of the explanation given a mere four months earlier. Temperature Trend from 1963-1987 [OMITTED] Clearly the default option-that it's simply not going to warm as much as the earlier projections had indicated-is increasingly attractive. And a new suite of climate models, which now seem to fit the observed history more accurately, bear witness to this conclusion. Figure 3[OMITTED] shows the new result from the United Kingdom Meteorological Office model (5). The published forecast is the higher value, which still shows considerable warming. But a careful read of the related manuscript reveals that the changes in the greenhouse effect that were used are much greater than the observed and projected changes. When the more accepted values (as given by the IPCC) are used, the warming drops to the lower figure, or about 17* by the year 2100. Figure 4 is an analogous new model from the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research, as published in the May 16 issue of Science (6). It, too, uses a change in the greenhouse effect at least 30% greater than the known and projected changes. The lower figure adjusts this model for that error and it produces only 1.3* of warming by 2100. Notably this model does not include any cooling from sulfates. VAlile this effect was apparently overestimated, new, direct measurements by Hobbs et al., indicate that it should reduce warming by about 1.3* over this period (7). The Nature of Observed Change Greenhouse physics predicts that the driest air masses should respond first and most strongly to changes induced by human activities. These, in fact, are generally the coldest air masses such as the great high pressure system that dominates Siberia in the winter, and its only slightly more benign cousin in northwestern North America. When the jet stream attains a proper orientation, it is this air mass that migrates south and kills orange trees in Florida. A look at the trends in the satellite data -- our only truly global record of lower atmosphere temperature-is remarkably revealing (Figure 5).[OMITTED] In spite of a statistically significant global cooling trend over the 18.5 year period of record, there is a pronounced warming trend in the coldest winter regions (Figure 6).[OMITTED] Another way to appreciate observed change in a frame of reference longer than the satellite record is to look at the ground-based thermometers for the last fifty years. In Figure 7,[OMITTED] I have subtracted the summer temperature changes from the winter ones. The redder the map, the more pronounced is the warming in the winter versus the summer. Much has been made in recent years of an apparent increase in what has been called "extreme" rainfall. Federal climatologists recently produced a press release, during last winter's floods in California, claiming that these rains had increased by 20%. This was a gross distortion of reality. Global Satellite-measured Temperature Departures [OMITTED] The original study, by Thomas Karl and others (8), showed that the percent of rain in the United States that falls from storms of two inches or more in 24 hours has increased from 9% of all rain to 11%. This is a change of 2%. However, in order to create a sensational effect, this 2% change was divided by the average amount of 10%, resulting in a figure of 20%! In reality, what Karl found was that, on the average, there is one more day in every 730 in which the two-inch threshold is exceeded. Karl also informed me that there is no significant change in rain of three inches per day or more. Is a two-to-three inch rainfall "extreme"? Or, given the fact that much of our agricultural region is in moisture deficit every summer, is it "beneficial"? Simple logic can make that value judgement. Imagine if the truth had been told: The percent of rainfall originating from storms of less than two inches per 24 hours has declined from 91% of all rain to 89%. Unfortunately, there is no news and no scare value in the truth. Another View of the Future I believe that it is fair to say that the people once labeled as "a small band of skeptics" -- those who championed the position that warming would be modest and primarily in the coldest air-masses have won the day. Many of these same scientists are now forming a new environmental paradigm. It is that the concept of "fragile earth" must be abandoned. And it asks the impertinent question: since when is everything that man does to the planet necessarily bad? During the 20th century, we have already proceeded more than half way to radiatively doubling the natural carbon dioxide greenhouse effect. Here is what resulted: Life expectancy doubled in the free and developed world. The developing world is catching up as their emissions rise. Corn production per acre increased five-fold. The growing season in the coldest latitudes increased slightly, but enough to increase greenness by 10% (8). Rainfall in the world's breadbaskets increased slightly, even as summer temperatures did not warm. Australia reports a massive increase in agricultural production that may be related to climate (9). There are thousands of laboratory and field experiments, as well as the practical activities of professional horticulturalists, that demonstrate that rising carbon dioxide makes most plants grow better. Consider the writing of Sylvan Wittwer, the man who conducted some of the very first experiments on this phenomenon. He ultimately became chairman of the Board on Agriculture of the National Research Council. There is currently a blind spot in the political and informational systems of the world. This is accompanied by a corruption of the underlying biological and physical sciences. It should be considered good fortune that we are living in a world of gradually increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 .... The rising level of atmospheric CO2 does not make the United States the world's worst polluter. It is the world's greatest benefactor. Unlike other natural resources (land, water, energy) essential for food production, which are costly and progressively in shorter supply, the rising level of atmospheric CO2 is a universally free premium on which we can all reckon for the future.[2] I must ask this Committee the real questions of the day: How much of the money of the citizens of this nation are you willing to spend to stop this? How much to stop a slight amelioration of the coldest temperatures, in the air-masses most inhospitable to unprotected life where there is human settlement? How much to stop making the earth greener, more productive, and human life increasingly long over the mass of the planet that still finds us the envy of history? [2] Members of the Senate would do well to read Wittwer's book, Food, Climate and Carbon Dioxide (10) a distillation of his 750 articles in the refereed scientific literature. * Degrees, centigrade References (1) Houghton, J.T., G.J. Jenkins, and J.J. Ephraums (Eds.) (1990). Climate Change: The IPCC Scientific Assessment. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. (2) Houghton, J.T., L.G. Meira Filho, B.A. Callander, N. Harris, A. Kattenberg, and K. Maskell (Eds.) (1996). Climate Change 1995: The Science of Climate Change. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. (3) Santer, B.D., et al. (1996). A Search for Human Influences on theThermal Structure of the Atmosphere. Nature, 382,39-45. (4) Michaels, P.J. and P.C. Knappenberger, 1996. Human Effect on Global Climate? Nature, 384, 522-523. (5) Mitchell, LF.B. and T.C. Johns (1997). On modification of Global Warming by Sulfate Aerosols. Journal of Climate, 10, 245-266. (6) Kerr, R.A. (I 997). Model Gets It Right-Without Fudge Factors, Science, 276, 1041. (7) Hobbs, RV, et al. (1997). Direct Radiative Forcing by Smoke from Biomass Burning, Science, 275, 1777. (8) Karl, T.R. et al. (1995). Trends in high-frequency climate variability in the 20th century. - Nature, 337, 217-220. (9) Myneni, et al. (1997). Increased plant growth in the northern high latitudes from 1981 to 1991. Nature, 386, 698-702. (10) Nicholls, N. (1997) Increased Australian wheat yield due to recent climate trends. Nature, 387, 484-485. (11) Wittwer, S.H. (1995). Food, Climate and Carbon Dioxide. CRC Press, Boca Raton, Fla. 236pp. CATOCLIPS - Congressional Testimony by Federal... (CGT)
It's funny. None of you global warming denyers have posted a single evidence that proves that global warming is a lie or made up by Al Gore. Not a single evidence. The only thing you have posted have been lies and personal attacks. Show me some proof or stop post lies about global warming.
i guess you didn't read that report? he was the guy that wrote it for the UN and telling the USA that the UN deleted some of the evidence he gave them in the report. here this is from wiki, it tells you that at +8c it will take 1,000 years for sea levels to raise 6m
Sorry, but we seemed to post those things at the same time. I've read your text and looked at that sexy graph but all that is far from any kind evidence. Come back when thousands of scientists from around the world have done hundreds of models about global warming and it's effect and clearly stated that Global warming is nothing to worry about. This is ONE person's views and conclusions. That do not change anything. I don't know about you. But I rather trust the majority of scientists.
I do not deny Global warming, but I deny the way Al - gore is putting it. It's nothing you can control. No matter if we start walking everyday, instead of driving cars. Climate change is going to happen.
Of course it matters if we actually do something about it. Doing nothing doesn't help. Here is an picture from the Economist that shows Gasoline Consumption Per Day. The US is consuming more gasoline than 20 other countries do togheter, every day. The per capita data on world gasoline consumption (original source: BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2005). http://www.economist.com/images/ga/2007w27/Petrol.jpg