Actually, I debunked that in a thread you were participating in a while back. You never countered it. So is this yet another example of your dishonesty, or did you have a temporary loss of cabin pressure? Shouldn't facts matter? Or does blind hatred justify lying?
I can spell fine. I type fast and sometimes mistakes are inevitable. Since this is a forum, I do not place to much emphasis on making sure everything was correct before posting, though I do my best.
thanks i have never seen either of the images or at least i don't remember. but what do you mean when you say
Your use of language and quotations here is bordering on intentional racism. Regardless, he is quite right: hundreds of thousands have had their lives taken from them in the aftermath of the death of only three thousand Americans. The attacks on the towers were disgusting, but the murder of civilians certainly doesn't do those lost lives any justice. Regardless, the US has given more lives during this losing fight in Iraq then were lost in the first place; no matter your view on the war or 9/11, that is a strange way to take revenge.
Which race would that be? I must have missed your source for this new propaganda. Do you also just make it up as you go along? Or were you just trying to help a fellow "brethren?"
To answer your questions: - I was referring to Muslims in particular, Middle Easterners in general. - There have been 3645 American deaths since the beginning of the war in Iraq. That's not a made-up figure or "propaganda", it's simply a fact as presented by the many casualty counting groups out there such as the American Department of Defense. - He is my brethren because he is a fellow human being, but I'm sure you were making reference to my race and not my species. For the record I am a Canadian of Scottish and English descent with skin as dark as a salmon's belly; to be clear, I am about as white as is possible.
So you believe islam is a race? What race to you suppose Randall Todd "Ismail" Royer is? What race is Adam Gadahn? What race are Indonesian muslims? You were not talking about American deaths. Your made up numbers referenced another group. Do you recall? So using the race card was out of line, and further masking your claims of deaths by trying to quote American soldier deaths was too?
That was my reference to the American lives lost; just over 3000 in the 9/11 attacks, just over 3500 in the war in Iraq. I'm not sure why that wasn't clear? The issue of race in this context is simply semantics, not useful to this conversation at all. Regardless, you are absolutely correct in your post; Muslims do not constitute a race of people. The line of yours that I originally commented on still stands as hateful and entirely unneeded. As far as masking my claims go, I'm not sure what you mean? I made two references to the deaths of American soldiers (including this post) with accurate numbers as presented by your own Department of Defense. I'm no huge lover of American society or government, but my proximity to a major American city (Seattle - I live in Vancouver) has given me the opportunity to debate and discuss with American people these very same issues. Some of my American friends have excellent ideas and clarity of mind, even when they entirely disagree with me. You seem to have far more fervor and anger then constructive thought, and for that reason I'll simply stop debating those same issues here in this forum with you. Attitudes like yours are a great deal of the reason that Americans are so widely loathed. There is a huge difference between intelligent debate for the betterment of us all and simply using a discussion forum to lash out in blind anger against people who think (and look) differently from you.
It is not clear to you, because I was referring to your unsubstantiated claim here: May I presume that when I asked for sources, you quickly ran for the US toll, without substantiating your claims of the others, on purpose? If you believe this is true, surely you should be able to source something (credible) to account for these claims? Or maybe not? Perhaps next time you will not so eager to use the race card? I requoted your comments and bolded them above. Yes, I suspected you were no huge fan of America. Unsubstantiated claims, premature use of the race card, taking a stand against something, but not sure what. Perhaps this guide will help you in your new mission
A study published in your very own Washington Post. That study says the total number sits at about 650,000, and that's a conservative estimate. I didn't rush to substantiate my claim of 'hundreds of thousands' of non-American deaths in these wars because I assumed anyone who defended the war so fervently would be well aware of the numbers. Seriously, there's no secret surrounding them and there have been hundreds of independent studies determining so as well as official numbers released monthly by the Iraqi government. The only groups to dispute a number above 100,000 and post estimates that are far lower are the governments of countries who are directly involved in the war, namely the United States and Britain. I'll respond to the rest of your post if and when someone magically shaves 10 years off of my life and reduces me to the mentality of a child. Also for your reference: Iraqi Body Count The aforementioned site puts the number of reported deaths at nearly 80,000 and your own government reported not long ago that they expected that only about 30% of civilian deaths in Iraq had been reported.
So you have no problem using a "study" (propaganda) that has been debunked many times then, because it fits your agenda? Many groups have debunked this propaganda. So many, it's hard to just like a few dozen: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lancet+iraq+debunked&btnG=Search So then you admit your numbers were wrong? Clearly 80,000 (unconfirmed) is far less than "hundreds of thousands," is it not? Do you have a source for how many Iraqis muslim terrorists have killed? I'm surprised you would omit such an important source, unless, of course, those numbers do not matter? "the US has given more lives during this losing fight in Iraq then were lost in the first place" The sound of silence.
Proof of what? That saddam had his image painted in a portrait next to the WTC towers being terrorized? What did my comments say in the original post?
I've been a close follower of the war and reports surrounding the war since it's beginning and I have yet to read a study that gives facts as consistent as the numbers I linked to earlier. One man's propaganda is another man's facts As far as Iraqis killing Iraqis: those numbers are included in the total reported by the study I mentioned earlier. Civil unrest in that country is in large part due to the American occupation, so it only stands to reason. I find you to be unreasonable and nothing you've countered with yet has done anything to quell my impression that you are simply an uneducated racist with extremist ideas. It's been amusing, but unfair; you get to listen to the voice of reason while I have to read the same foolishness over and over. On that note, I wish you luck in your quest for the truth in all things. I, for one, welcome the sound of silence where this one-sided debate is concerned.
Thank you for confirming my point about using inaccurate and dishonest material to make your point. Facts do not matter, only the message. Your message is clear. This is not uncommon, but irrational thinking. Blame the US for muslims killing each other, when the US (and your country) are there trying to prevent such. "It's not their fault, muslims are just doing what they are supposed to do...killing each other. Blame the US!" Back to the racist card ("The issue of race in this context is simply semantics, not useful to this conversation at all.") and seeking a victim role, after your points and sources have been shown a fraud? Nothing could be more flattering Perhaps next time, you can actually come up with something more reasonable to justify your claim of "I'm no huge lover of American society or government"