Why you should Believe in God - Especially for Atheists!

Think of it this way.
If you are borned in the middle-east you would probably be muslim.
If there is a God, he put you there!
Now, I am put into a life of an atheist. So if there is a God, he made me a non-believer! whats worst he wants to punish me for being that! DAMN GOD!
Read my post here: http://techfaction.com/do-we-really-have-free-will

Actually I am God, if you didn't know.

 

Thats a knee-slapper ! Yes, the glass would be very dusty indeed... You seem to get brighter everyday.

 

Thats basically what im saying. If God is the ultimate reality and creation for everything.Then I don't see why people don't get the fact God wants people to be atheist as well...

 

I do believe in god , but that's just not a way to convince theres a god.

If I believed that god exists and then it turns to be that theres no God , theres a big loss and not nothing as you said .. The loss is very big as you lived your whole life fooled in the existence of God , praying for him , defending his existence , etc.
But as I said , I believe in God , but that wasn't the greatest way to convince people in my opinion.

 

After opinion of most people here I agree that this is not the great way to convince people about existence of God.

I do believe in God and thought its good way to convince people. May be I thought so because I was not an atheist and this wager is not enough to convince hardcore atheists

 

Good that you see it now
It isn't just wrong only to the atheists, it's also wrong to those who do believe.

 

yup...

I wouldn't change my mind upon that wager at all. I might think about it, then find it to be a lame wager. As a Christian I see it as a false choice to believe in God in order to make sure you win, because that isn't believing at all.

 

I didn't see it like you was trying to show me. My last argument still stands that, believing Xenu as creator actually means believing God/Allah/whatever.

What I see is, this argument is not strong enough to change someone's mind.

Actually, this was not for believers. Religious people believe their God because they have faith, trust, belief, they don't need such Wagers to believe.

It was for non-believers, who don't find any scientific/logical reason to believe in God .. I thought it might a reason lol.

 

Too funny

Pascal's wager ignores one glaring reality; belief in God is simply not a conscious "choice" as you keep making reference to. Nor can it be turned on and off like a light switch but these things aren't even the most ridiculous elements of suggesting that someone can "hedge their bets" by believing.

To suggest that someone can feign belief when they truly do not believe, makes a mockery of the very definition of your God. A being cannot be all knowing, all loving, all caring and the epitomes of perfection and alltruism, if this being cannot perceive when someone is faking belief. Nor would an all loving being that is the epitome of alltruism condemn what tend to be the more intelligent of our species to eternal suffering simply because of an offended vanity. How utterly ridiculous.

You worship an invisible being based on the observations of primitive man, insist that this being is omnipotent, yet suggest that others try to fool this being into thinking that they believe in him to gain a pass to eternal bliss.

It gets funnier every time I think about it.

 

Therefore, we are faced with the following possibilities:

* You live as though God exists and you use to rape little girls and to kill people.

o If God exists, you go to heaven: your gain is infinite.

o If God does not exist, you gain nothing & lose nothing.


* You live as though God does not exist and you live your life like mother Theresa helping people no matter what.

o If God exists, you go to hell: your loss is infinite.

o If God does not exist, you gain nothing & lose nothing.


I was just re-phrasing some stuff...

 

Unless there is even the remotest reason for believing in a creator, I don't see how this makes sense.

But this isn't reasoning. It's desperation, kind of like a primal instinct. Also, for the record, it DOES hurt & you DO have something to lose. Lost productivity, and the loss of your ability to think rationally. When a believer is in a sour situation (s)he will start praying for help rather than find a solution. Not to mention sexism, slavery, inane dogma, immolations & more if you happen to be part of any mainstream religion.

True. +rep

This is the big question. But just because we may not have all the answers is not reason to make them up.

Take rain for example. Not a long time ago people thought it was god pissing on them on whatever other cooky theistic religious belief. Now we know better.

So until we find the answer, I'm going to stick with shit happens.


PS: aletheides, so if you assume that a creator created the universe, who/what created the creator?

We keep coming back to shit happens with or without a god.

 

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-created-God.html

"The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, "What does blue smell like?" Blue is not in the category of things that have odor, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created, or come into existence, or are caused. God is uncaused and uncreated - He simply exists.

How do we know this? Well, we know that from nothing, nothing comes. So if there was ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence then nothing would have ever come to exist. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been existing. That ever-existing thing is what we call God."

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http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i1/universe.asp

"In addition, Einstein’s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so he has no beginning in time..."

 

Hi aletheides

To simply use a catch phrase: " . . . we know that from nothing, nothing comes" is in effect only a partial truth. We also know that from tiny seeds great things grow, to use another catch phrase. The "nothing comes from nothing argument" does not support the existence of a traditionally defined supreme creator being as is the center point of Pascal's Wager, it merely supports the notion that there may exist a being capable of creating one solitary carbon based cell, or one particle of hyper condensed matter from nothing.

It is only the religious bias instilled from social conditioning that bridges these vastly divergent definitions of what may have created life and the universe.

 

Well, thats not the case with everyone. I do firmly believe in God and I never stopped coping against sore situations and trying to find some way out. ya, I have been praying to God to help me but never stopped my effort. Even in my religion its said that God will help you only if you help yourself.

Well, that was off-topic .. lets come to topic now.

I somewhat agree to the post made by aletheides .. and also that its a tricky question.

In my religion its not told that from where God came etc. .. I am not a philosopher but I came to something on my own ..

From birth to death, we have been very much blended into methodology of 'creation and destruction' .. like, every time we see something, we think about its creation and stuff, this urged us to find how the earth, sun, moon were created.

What I think is, 'time and space' and 'creation and destruction' was made by God. Since we cannot think out of these parameters of time/space and creation/destruction, thats why we used to think like, what was there before God? (related to time/space) .. who created God? (related creation/destruction) .. etc.

What I want to say that, since God made time and idea of 'creation' .... God governs these parameters and methodologies, they don't govern God.
(Not sure if I used the word 'govern' right)

I am pretty sure there was a some era when time didn't exist. And God created it when He needed it (for humans, may be).

 

Incorrect. By the same reasoning, the universe also simply exists & doesn't need to be created.

Why bring god into the picture at all? And using special relativity to try & prove something which doesn't even present a case for it's existence is plain un-necessary. I am by no means a physicist, but with whatever basic physics knowledge I have this seems to be flawed to me. Are you a physicist Idiot Inside? There might be a simple explanation to the origin of the universe, just as rain isn't god pissing upon us, the universe may not after all have been "created".

All I'm saying is that making up answers & trying to "prove" something you WANT to be proven is wrong & flawed.

 

While it cant be proven, it is another perspective to the question. You asked and I provided.

I understand its difficult to fathom and these kinds of questions require a ton of thought on your own. Nobody will ever be able to prove to you that God exists.

 

Neither to themselves unless they want god to exist. Wishful thinking really.

 

Wishful thinking in what way? Either you believe he does or he doesn´t - its quite simple really - and regardless your life will remain the same.

 

Yes,everybody should believe god,i was a Atheist,and i do not believe god,but when i lost my grandma,i was feel so painful,and finally i just find only god can help me out.

 

Wishful thinking in the way that there is absolutely no fucking way you can "prove" "his" existence unless you want "him" to exist.