Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by birdsfly, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. prometeus1

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    #241
    2000 years ago? I thought religion has existed as long as humanity has... a lot more than 2000 years. A lot more! Could it by any chance be that, right or wrong, humanity as a whole has a need for it? That religion is an inevitable part of what we are?
    By the way, i'm not a religious person and as an individual i got no use for it
     
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  2. Shalini Kagal

    Shalini Kagal Member

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    #242
    dawkins, despite all his atheist tags, reads more 'religious' to me than most so-called religious people. is it because he transcends the limits of man-made religion and goes on to see the life force beyond? i guess what makes most of the religions all over the world unacceptable to those who are more scientific-minded is their narrow-mindedness. what was okay a thousand years ago has no place in the world of today's beliefs. religions have stayed rigid while knowledge exploded. what we need perhaps today is a religion (for want of a better word) that keeps pace....call it a sense of spirituality, a sense of universal energy, whatever. i think we need to set 'god' free of man-made rituals for him or her to make sense in today's world. i also think we need to look inward more than outward. maybe god is indeed a fusion of all our spirits.....not just human but everything in nature....what an awesome, unbelievable energy that would be!
     
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    #243
    Do you have to be so nice? Where do you get that quality from? /sarcasm.

    I think you must have been smacked around a bit when you were younger for that mouth of yours. Then again. That's exactly what a lot of people are like these days. Sheer arrogance only draws arrogance from others. There's a lesson in that! :D

    Col :)
     
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    KingofKings Banned

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    #244
    I don't think that's right .. Don't explain what's written in the bible literally,Each sentence of those you call "stupid" sentences could be explained by many different ways,so if You try to study it well and find out the real meaning , you might change your mind.
     
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    #245
    wow...
    i know you are an atheist... and always bashing on islam, but this...
    outrages :rolleyes:

    the first time i saw youtube till the end.
     
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  6. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #246
    When and where did i bash Islam ? :confused:
    Me discussing about Muslims and such is not bashing, FYI.
     
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    #247
    Evolution is not a fact. It is a belief system about how the world and everything in it came into being. Science is not what you believe to be true, but what you can test to be true.

    Can you test the spontaneous generation of life from non-life? No, and even the E theory states it only happened once and never again.

    Can you test the countless beneficial mutations of one animal into another animal? No, but you believe beneficial mutations happened a near infinite amount of times when all the evidence shows all mutations are detrimental.

    You believe your 3 pound brain with the power of 1000 supercomputers evolved slowly over time, yet where is the evidence of humans with brains with the power of 500 supercomputers existing 50 million years ago?

    You believe all matter came into existence from a big explosion of nothing and created all the orderliness of the universe when all evidence says that explosions create less order, not more.

    Evolution is a belief system. "Evolution provides the intellectual justification to evaluate one's life without considering responsibility to a Creator."
     
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    #248
    Religion is not the same thing as spirituality. Religion will kill any spiritual growth. Any religion who advocates violence as a way to force people to it's way of thinking should be eradicated. It doesn't matter if it's islam, christianity, mormonism, or whatever religion you care to think of...violence and force is just plain wrong. People should be free to follow a spiritual path that promotes s love, peace, and a host of other POSITIVE attributes. Every person has their own personal view of what a god is...and I can guarantee that my view of what constitutes a god is not the same as someone elses. Religion has been the bane of humanity since it's conception. People need to get over these petty ideas that their religion is the only true religion and quit following man-made dogma and get a friggin' life!
     
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    #249
    The theory of evolution states no such thing.
     
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    #250
    It doesn't matter what evolution states to these people. unless your answer is "god done it" they aren't interested. These idiots should do us all a favor and just stay out of our way. If they want to live their lives as cretinous imbeciles that's up to them, But the rest us are intelligent individuals who appreciate science, Logic and evidence.

    they can't even accept evolution as fact even though it has been accepted in the scientific community for decades.
     
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    #251
    Sorry, I meant Christianity (Jesus). Yes, Buddhism may have existed for longer and Hinuism etc...
     
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    birdsfly Well-Known Member

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    #252
    When one person sees/hears or believe things that do not exist he is DELUDED
    When one or more persons sees/hears or believe things that do not exist he is RELIGIOUS

    Understand?
     
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    birdsfly Well-Known Member

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    #253
    Religion cannot be disproved
    A tiny hairy cat from Venus cannot be disproved

    VS

    Religion cannot be proved
    A tiny hairy cat from Venus cannot be proved

    VS

    Science cannot be disproved
    Science can be proved
     
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    birdsfly Well-Known Member

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    #254
    OK, please start by telling us how the earth was made.
    Now after you've told me that god did it (and created everything on earth)
    Who created god?

    You can't answer that because god would have "infinite complexity" which would mean that he was created by something even more complex than himself :)
     
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    #255
    7 million?
     
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    #256
    You did look up the definition didn't you??? Going by your response. I don't think you did.

    Oh. So now your answering for me? I just love it when others put words in my mouth. Why not you continue trying to tell my story. It's fun to see how far off track you can get.

    Yes. 7 million.

    Regards to all.

    Col :)
     
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    #257
    I am very interested in what Evolution states. Living in ignorance of what others believe just leaves a person still ignorant. Perhaps you think the theory states something different, or nothing at all and just simply being argumentative?

    Evolution is what you BELIEVE happened, which is not the same as what really happened. Just because you wish with all your heart for a Creator not to exist does not make it so.

    http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/
     
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    #258
    See the assumption you people make is that you think people should automatically be interested in what you believe when all you have to go on is the fact that you believe it. Present some evidence to support what you believe - and when i say that I mean evidence for your position instead of simply attacking other peoples - And i might take what you say seriously. If you only have a hypothesis with no reason or evidence to back it up it's unlikely that any intelligent adult is going to waste time listening to you.

    There is evidence that evolution takes place. I don't "believe" it, I have been convinced of it through water tight, rock solid evidence. It has nothing to do with your pathetic invisible man in the sky story, I don't believe in evolution through my disbelief of god, I believe evolution because - if you understand it - it make perfect sense and there is piles of evidence to support it. Unlike you who doesn't believe in evolution because a 2000 year old story book says otherwise.
     
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    #259
    Dr. William Lane Craig goes over contingency, teleological, moral, and cosmological arguments that God exists in this debate: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard00.html

    "There is evidence that evolution takes place."

    Where is this evidence? Let's go observe it.

    "I don't "believe" it, I have been convinced of it"

    believe: to be persuaded of the truth or existence of
    Being convinced of something is the same thing as believing in it.

    Some good blog entries about what science really is...
    http://www.pssiinternational.com/weblog/

    This quote about "consensus science" from Michael Crichton is really good...
    http://www.pssiinternational.com/resources.php
     
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    #260
    religion gives people a sense of direction and purpose , IF they already lack it.

    Its like a placebo.
     
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