The religion of peace attacks Hindu pilgrims in Indian Kashmir

i can paste more a million pictures of Muslim children and women killed by Indian Army.

 

You don't seem to have any knowledge about Kashmir.

Even if you combine all deaths (killed by terrorists/cross-firing/army) that have taken place in last two decades after terrorism started in Kashmir - forget about millions, the number doesn't even reach 100000.

Now compare this with number of people killed by Pakistan army in Bangladesh in 267 days - 3 million people.

20 years (total casualties - includes all-terrorists/cross-firing/army ) 100,000
267 days - 3,000,000

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see which army is more brutal and ruthless.

 

You're right , but why Ignore him .. try to prove him wrong instead.

Ye right .. we should blame all the Islam for that behavior , other religions are killing million of innocent children daily , i don't respect them , but i have to respect their religion , why do you try to attack Islam in any possible way ! If some people shows bad behaviors that doesn't reflect on the whole religion , be realistic man.

 

If you have only little knowledge and happen to read about the dialogs happened between two countries, you would have known that Pakistan has always been saying that they want to resolve Kashmir issue according to UN Resolutions and India have been saying its our "Atoot Ang".

If you don't know or don't want to know this for some reason, I cannot force you.

Good luck with your dream.

lol, everyone in both counties knows how lovingly you suppressed that separatist movement. I don't feel like commenting on it, you know yourself.

Writing something on any picture means its true?

I don't say something like this was never happened, may be its true. But at least show us some authentic source so I can agree with you.

I guess you are right, Freelance GD must be a troll. He has been living in Kashmir for fucking 25 years, He have had migrated from Indian held Kashmir to Azad Kashmir. He is well educated and doing Masters.

But ya, may be he still don't know nothing about Kashmir.

By the way, what do YOU know? huh?

I am talking about Kashmir, and:

* I have spent 4+ years of my life in Kashmir. I have observed very closely. Talked to tens of citizens and refugees.

* 90% of my University class mates were Kashmiris.

* 50% of them were citizen of Azad Kashmir and 40% were refugees, and again .. I spent 4+ years with them, including night and night long discussions etc.
I admit that very small number of them want independence, but to be with india? lol .. If I tell you their answer, I might get banned or offend you.

* My city in Pakistan is merely 30kms away from Indian held Kashmir, We have thousands and thousands of refugees of Indian held Kashmir from 1947 to date, living with us as neighbors.

Freelance GD is talking about Kashmir, and:

* He is Kashmiri by birth.

* He or his parents migrated from Indian held Kashmir. Why? Ask him. Or use common sense.

* He spend whole damn 25 years in Kashmir, and have first hand experience.

* His all relatives and friends are Kashmiris, both refugees and AJK citizens.

** I am not telling that he has also studied history of Kashmir in depth, just because it may be biased.


OK, I told you what relation we does have with Kashmir .. and what are the sources of our information.

Now you tell us please, What is the base of your arguments and comments? Your anti-Pakistan media?

May be your fellow guy Software_outsourcing say that they want to be with India, since he is Hindu .. he might say so.
But remember Muslims are ~75% of total population of Kashmir.

Even if the poll is not held as a whole, but on the basis of Area .. you will only get Jammu, since Hindu population is high in there. You will still loose Kashmir Valley and Ladakh.

That is why, I always say .. India will never ever arrange poll in J&K.

First of all, I do not agree with ANY of the numbers you presented.

But OK, for the sake of argument let me agree.

We tried to suppress separatists in East Pakistan, OK .. but after all this violence, killings of both sides .. we freed them.

If you presenting Pakistan's example of killings to justify your killings in Kashmir, now follow the example completely and free the kashmir. lol

Finally,

This issue was not resolved in 60 years, and our discussion is not going to come to some end. You doesn't seems to agree with my point and so as me.

So, i better keep my energy for some better topic. This discussion is becoming boring now.

 

I didn't make up the numbers.

These are the official figures of UN.

You didn't free them because you had a change of heart.

You lost a war to India and 90000 soldiers of Pakistan were captured by the India army.

You should thank the Indian government that these 90000 soldiers were not tried for war crimes.

According to the UN, for 267 days , Pakistan army killed between 6000 and 12000 people every single day.

Compare this with around 100 or so people getting killed in Iraq everyday and Irag appears like heaven.

 

you freed them??? LMAO!!! no no .. ROTFLMAO!!!!

Dude, you were FORCED to free them.. you had no other choice but to free them.

Why doesn't Pakistan set an example and free the Pak occupied Kashmir, giving them their own govt. and freedom??

Ohh yeah!! I know, you have your answer ready.. Pakistan doesn't do that because it is afraid that India will attack and capture the so called Azad Kashmir..
Yeah right!! As we captured Bangladesh, no??

Exactly... you guys should be worried about increasing violence in Pakistan.

 

You people are best at propganda only . It is because of this propganda, that problems have aggrivated most.

Look what CM of J & K , Mr Ghulam Nabi Azad had to said

"
Of the 250 rapes are registered in J&K, Security Forces had been found involved in four cases. “If you are aghast over these four cases you should be equally concerned about the rest. If you take to streets when a trooper is found involved you should also agitate when a general rape incident takes place.”
Quoting figures, Azad further said that 35000 molestation cases were being reported across India annually. “Only 950 are reported from J&K and this figure includes an average of three to four cases pertaining to Security Forces. If there is hullabaloo over three or four cases why do you ignore those 950 cases,” the Chief Minister said. He emphasized that if the civilians were found involved in such crime in more numbers than troops the real fight should be directed toward social reform.
On the recent killing of a teenager in downtown during Police action against protestors, Azad held separatist leaders responsible for such incidents. “While sitting in their cozy rooms these people give out edicts for strike and agitation. When things go wrong, who should be responsible? It is they who instigate people to agitate. Police are doing their own job. It’s their duty to maintain law and order.”

 

No, YOU be realistic...man.

Your religion is tainted.
Instead of always blaming someone else or inserting a "but..." in your replies, spend your time trying to figure out why your religion is the religion of death and misery and what you can do to fix it.

 

And where does UN exactly stated that?

And whats exactly that part of UN resolution which Pakistan is not full filling?

 

http://www.mukto-mona.com/new_site/mukto-mona/Articles/kasem/mathematics_genocide.htm

http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War#Casualties

If you want the exact details, here is a paper by University of Hawaii. It will give you the exact break up of how many people died and where:

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB8.2.GIF

Pakistan being the aggressor in Kashmir, is required to withdraw its troops and nationals from Kashmir first.

http://asiapeace.org/acha/kashmir108.htm

Instead of withdrawing its nationals and troops, Pakistan has kept sending its nationals into both sides of Kashmir for the last 60 years.

 

I'm sure you don't even know what the world Religion is about , or you got no religion at all and you just want to attack Islam for no reason.. Cause if you had any religion , you wouldn't say about another religion that they're all about death and killing and terror , All religions respects other religions,so it's kinda hopeless to discuss a non religion person who attacks religions on no basics .

 

I repeat my question...where exactly UN stated those figures?
None of your given reference is UN declaration on casualties as you claimed earlier. In fact Wikipedia source you mention states this

The number of civilians that died in the Bangladesh War is not accurately known. There is a great disparity in the casualty figures put forth by Pakistan on one hand (26,000, as reported in the Hamoodur Rahman Commission[27]) and India and Bangladesh on the other hand.

So dont present 3 million figure as official UN statistics. And dont forget that most of the casualties were done by MAkti Bahni (Indian trained group backed my weapon and money by India)

Pakistan being aggressor....? lol...thats funny.
India is who have 700000 troops in Kashmir not Pakistan. Its India where kashmiris are fighting for freedom not in the Azad Kashmir. In Azad Kashmir people are living happily so Pakistan has not to deploy 700,000 troops like India.
I cant understand why India is afraid to have a poll under UN to ask kashmiris
what they want if they are confident about people want to live in India

 

That is sheer bullshit..

I quite agree..

Human Right Watch report

I cant understand why Pakistan doesn't announce POK as an independent Country, as they are asking India to do.

 

This is a quote directly from the UN's declaration of Universal Human Rights (1981).

Unfortunately the 1981 version is not available online. You can always write to the UN office in your country and obtain a copy of it. That will satisfy your doubts.

It was Pakistan who first pushed troops into Kashmir in 1947. The King of Kashmir was left with no choice but to go to India for help. India sent troops only to prevent Pakistan troops from taking over Kashmir.

That was the reason that UN asked Pakistan to remove troops and its nationals first.

India was to act only after Pakistani troops and nationals left Kashmir.

Pakistan has been sending armed fighters on the Indian side and that's the reason that we have violence.

The same thing happened in Kargil. Your dear president denied that terrorists in Kargil were Pakistanis. Years after the Kargil conflict, Musharraf confessed that Pakistan army was indeed involved in Kargil.

Why do you think Musharaff had to topple Sharif? The Pakistan's army misadventure in Kargil almost led to a war. There was no way Sharif would have allowed Musharaff to handle the army. Musharaff knew this and shrewdly removed Sharif.

If I am not mistaken Pakistan has had a democracy for only 28 out of 60 years after independence. It is so funny that a military dictator talks about people's opinion in Kashmir.

May be someday, you should take some time and really think about where Pakistan stands after 60 years of independence.

Here is a nice article by a Pakistani : "Independence - 60 years of shattered dreams".

http://socialistworld.net/eng/2007/07/09pakistan.html


Today Pakistan itself suffers from increasing terrorism. On the other hand terrorism in Kashmir is actually declining.

The separatists in Kashmir are a same nuisance to India, that Taliban and tribal fighters are to Pakistan in its northern parts.

There is absolutely no difference. Terrorists never cared for the innocents and never will in the future.

Those who cared like JKLF have already put down their arms.

Kashmir issue was never a Hindu-Muslim issue. It may sound funny but the first terrorists in the valley like JKLF were secular. They never attacked Hindus and recognized them as much a part of Kashmir as the Muslims.

It is only after Islamic fanatics formed organizations like Jaish-e-mohammed and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, that the entire issue became religious in nature. There organizations have no other motive but to drive away 33% Hindus on Indian side of Kashmir and make it a Talibanized state.

 

Hi,

Thank you for the appreciation and yes! you are correct I am an Indian

Well, I do not know the statistical data as to how many people want Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan, but I assume from your posts that it is more than 50%

Now see the majority wants to be the part of Pakistan, why?

Let me tell a little history of Kashmir. Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_crisis#Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1947

All the people participating in the topic , please read that link, it is very informative and makes the basis of the whole issue.

A little quote from the article

Now there are more points in the whole page, but I will not copy the whole thing here , you can read it there directly.

Now, comes the fault of the Indian government. Even after 60 years of Independence, there is hardly any development in Kashmir.
Just 1 Engg. college and 1 Medical college

The govt. is concentrating on the military aspects and is ignore the developmental aspects of Kashmir. As a result most of the population of Kashmir wants it to be a part of Pakistan, because they blame Indian Govt. for everything ( which is ofcourse 70% correct ).

Now back to the issue, if the vote is done as of now. I am sure that people will want Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan.
BUT!!!! There will be many and i really mean MANY who will be against it. I know that usually the larger faction's decision is taken into action.
But this case is very different and extremely sensitive.
People wont be ready to sit and talk. What will happen is most of the terror groups will start killing ( because most of them want Kashmir to be independent) , people in Kashmir will be migrating a lot ( back to the times of partition ).

Both the govt. wont be able to take any action, since the matter had already been decided and any action would again lead to a state of war.

So the point is, it will be partition all over again, thousands will die, lakhs will be destroyed, property wont be there anymore.

I am sure noone wants to see the heaven on earth in such a situation.

The real solution can only be done, IF and ONLY IF both the govt. be friendly to each other. Right now, no matter what bus travels and agra summits take place, the situation is COLD WAR.

Will write more on topic, sorry couldnt write since then, was too buzy finalising a new project.

A little request to all, please discuss easily, dont get aggravated and abuse, it just leads to more dissing and diverts the topic completely.

Stay close, stay together... then only we can reach a solution. If we keep fighting each other, there will be nothing left except destruction.


NO OFFENSE MEANT TO ANYONE


Regards,
~KMKM