Double standards. Are you OK with them? Over the past six years, Moscow has sent Brit

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by bbn, Jul 22, 2007.

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    ........... They accused Britain of double standards for refusing to extradite alleged “enemies” of Russia such as Berezovsky and Akhmed Zakayev, a former Chechen field commander living in London. Moscow accuses them of embezzlement and terrorism respectively.
    “Over the past six years, Moscow has sent Britain 21 extradition requests but not a single suspect has been extradited,” said Rossiskaya Gazeta, a government daily. “The suspects included fraudsters, killers, terrorists, drug dealers and persons involved in especially serious embezzlement of funds. Six of the people mentioned in the requests have been granted political asylum in Britain.” ..............
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2116262.ece


    But now Britain kicked out 4 Russian diplomats, because the Russians refused to extradite Lugovoy. (The Russian constitution does not allow russian citizens to be extradited.)


    This is just one example of double standards the west uses. The use of double standards kills the good image of the west. No matter the countries they apply it to.
     
    bbn, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  2. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    the UK will not extradite anyone to any state if the person faces the Death penalty, Russia will not assure the UK that anyone extradited to Russia will be safe from the death penalty. therefore the UK refuse to extradite anyone to Russia.
    The same with the different states in the USA, the UK will extradite people to the USA because the USA are trusted to keep their word when they say the death penalty will not be sought.
    The UK will not extradite anyone to any state that asks for the extradition of it's own nationals to face the death penalty. it's a human rights issue not double standards as you put it.
     
    samantha pia, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  3. Idiot Inside

    Idiot Inside Well-Known Member

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    I am not surprised.
     
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  4. bbn

    bbn Peon

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    Do you really believe that all those 21 people wanted in Russia face death penalty?
    Also it could be easily aranged with the Russians that those 21 wont be condemned to deaht if found guilty.


    I wonder why Akhmed Zakayev, wanted on terrorists charges is called "field comander" and given sanctuary in Britain.

    What if Bin Laden instead of treated as terrorist gets the same "treatment" as Britain gives to Akhmed Zakayev in another country?
    How do you think US would like that? Don't you think that a war is going to break out with the contry giving safe haven to Bin Laden if he is not handed to US?


    Another point you don't want to see is that all those 21 wanted in Russai are Russian nationals (well some of them are now British).
     
    bbn, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    qwestcommunications Notable Member

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    Ahmad Zakayev is a person fighting for indpendence of Chechnya. Because he is a Muslim, he is called a terrorist.
     
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  6. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    re read my post, Russia is not a trusted nation, and will not accept that the UK follows the human rights act, (something Russia wont accept or follow) and therefore the UK will not hand over to Russia anyone that Russia wants, because they will not forfeit the death penalty. are you to stupid to understand the human rights obligation on the death penalty issue here?
     
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  7. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    a terrorist Muslim protected by the UK, dont you find that ironic? or could it be that the UK believe that he has just cause, or human rights? :rolleyes:
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    Hehe Lords and honesty don't go together :D

    Throughout its history GB was one of the greatest empires of all time and they did whatever they wanted.

    Days are changing and today they cannot just go somewhere and take all they find and bring it to their homeland.

    Today Lords still think that they can rule the world but they didn't realize that they can't ....I am sure they will soon and will start acting as they should.

    Double standards ? Everyone has double standards if we like this or not about ourselves !
     
    iatbm, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    wake me up when you're back on earth
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    Ever been to british national museum ? Do you know how many items were just taken from all over the world. STOLEN ! And when countries from where these artifacts are from are demanding their stuff back the answer is always NO !
    Those items were stolen mostly and whoever didn't approve the british army at that time just killed them or take them in prison ! This was happening not so long ago you know...

    But as always you don't know shit !
     
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    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    i think i know a little more about it than you do. i studied history, and if you can tie this shit in with this thread then we can talk, if not. start a new thread :rolleyes:
    you are no allowed to hijack threads ;)
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    You only think ... It does not mean you actually do ;)
     
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  13. bbn

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    You can never say as some of your British news papers, and like many others in the west a single good word for Russia. Not even a neutral one.


    The hairless British lion has decided to show himself to the world that now he is no longer on a leash in the back yard of the White House. Now he is allowed to run freely behind doors and to roar at the passers-by.

    Britain didn't even provide Russia with any proofs Lugavoi is guilty (or a prime suspect).
    (Just to let you know 400,000 people of the Russian elite live in Britain. That is TOO MUCH MONEY for Britain to lose if Britain keeps the course of anymosity with Russia.) British companies may well lose contracts in Russia to France or Germany.



    OK. I finally got it. All muslims are freedom fighters. Starting from India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Russia, Kosovo, ..... and finish with Philippines.

    Russia has planty of land and does not really need Chechnya. However, Russia does not approve Beslan like terrorist to run Chechnya and attack her citizens.
    Chechnya had all the freedom it wanted, but they decided to Islamize the whole region and Islamic militants started attacking neghboring provinces.

    The world is fed up with all these "freedom fighters". Only people like Bush give you a hand for temporary political benefits. But getting in bed with low lifes proved to be too bad for America.

    Bush allowed Musharaf to make peace with the Talebans in Pakistan. You see what is happening now in Pakistan?

    Actually seems like you like your buddies the talebans who "are fighting for freedom" in Pakistan and Afghanistan and everywhere they can set their foot in. Deeply in your heart you really enjoy it when they kill american troops, and westernes.
    You want your Islam to dominate the world as much as Bush wants to control it. Don't you?

    But, why should I waste my time with this. You won't get/like it anyway.
     
    bbn, Jul 23, 2007 IP
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    Surprise, surprise. UK doesnt extradite anyone to the US either, I just saw one english diplomat saying that. Who did they extradite, then ?

    This is for sure isnt a terrorist, Samanta, right? :cool:

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    She doesnt :) She only reads The Sun and the likes when she wakes up, that's her dreamworld.
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    it is, indeed :cool::)

     
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    Death penalty in Russia is ILLEGAL! We want those guys back to us to proceed to courthouse and then go to prison, where they should be.
     
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    bbn Peon

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    If you wait for Samantha to reply, don't hold your breath.

    ............... After all, Britain has refused to honor 21 requests from Russia to extradite gangster-oligarch Boris Berezovsky and the Chechen rebel leader Akhmed Zakayev, who currently live in London. As Deputy foreign minister Alexander V. Grushko said, “If Russia used the same formula, the British embassy would be short about 80 diplomats now.” The hypocrisy is shocking to say the least. ...........
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18036.htm
     
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    <off-topic>
    I think that prejudication (spelling?) which West casts upon Russia and all it's actions (that gas prices issue in Ukraine for example) will lead us to things everyone don't want! Why can't all those "good-guys-who-is-saving-the-world-politicians", understand that? Every American \ English newspaper i read, contains something about Russia, articles like "Cold War is not over","Mr. Putin strikes back" or whatever.. To be honest, we are don't give a single spit about that. We just want to be treated right. We have a right to do things the way we want, as long as it's not harming anyone. Personally, I respect any point of view, but as long as it's valid and sane.
    And I guess West needs to deal with their own issues first, before blaming us for everything, like we have "fault democracy" etc.- Why can't they just do business and establish more connections? For now, to my mind, West plays a very risky game. You know what is self-respect right? I assure you, Russia has it. BUT, thank GOD(if it's there) that our government are enough cold-minded to understand that it's only provocations. I guess West does not want strong Russia. I think they want it to be their puppet like it used to be in 90's.
    </off-topic>

    Speaking on topic, we won't do anything against the Constitution, so we won't extradite Lugovoy.

    Personally to Samantha: BTW, In Russia we don't have huge bears walking around in a middle of Red Square drinking vodka, and playing balalaikas, you know.. Yeah, and our girls DO shave.

    p.s. - lol, what a long post :) I Just have read some interesting articles, so i felt like writing:D Flame on if you feel like ;) I apologize for any grammar mistake you'll find. English is not my main language.


    Interesting read. :)
     
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  20. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    Obviously UK wouldn't want to entertain Russia for any reason. Since they see Russia as a threat.

    Irony is, Terrorists in Russia are Freedom Fighters in UK. And they want everyone to support their definition of 'terrorist'...
     
    The Webmaster, Jul 27, 2007 IP