The religion of peace attacks Hindu pilgrims in Indian Kashmir

You know Pakistan is an Islamic country full of muslims who has been a friend to the US. Recently extremist tried to overthrow their government and the Pakistanis beat them down. Now al-queda terrorists continue making terrorist attempts. But the pakistani people do not want militants or extremists to run there country. The Pakistani muslims are fighting and resisting the extremist, because they don't want there country run by violent militants.

Right after the event where Pakistan killed the militants, I watched a tape put out by al-queda. They threatened the Pakistani government and advised the citizens of Pakistan to overthrow their own government for Allah. Watching the tape I realized al-queda basically uses religion to try to scare and manipulate muslims. Al-queda doesn't give a crap about Allah, they simply use religion to manipulate to try to gain political power.

I think I am too tired Ly2 I know what point I want to get across, but I am having a hard time expressing it because I haven't had enough sleep and am rambling. I guess just that maybe you might want to consider that not all muslims are the same...and perhaps some terrorist acts that seemed to come from Islam, may instead be politically motivated.

 

Kashmiri people never ever wanted to be in Pakistan period.

You cant even put India and Pakistan in the same plate.
Pakistan? Where Democracy was abused not one, not two but three times??
Pakistan? That committed sever atrocities against its own people in East Pakistan?

Some Kashmiris Always wanted to be an independent State, but they preferred India Over Pakistan ever. and Democratic Polls and Govt. has proved that. There are all types of Political parties over there. Few who support India, and few who want to be an independent state, few who are fighting for it. But they never got enough support from people to win the polls.
So the answer is hidden there who ever wants to see it.
Kashmiris not only welcome People from rest of India, but they go and use freedom given to him by India. and use almost every opportunity, such as education and Jobs.

Thats extreme mentality, Muslims are nationalists too.
Yes many of them contain hatred towards different religions, but thats not only Muslim., Hindus Sikhs and Christians also contain hatred.

 

Hindus, Christians, and Jews combined don't have a fraction of the hate that Muslims have.

 

You are not an elected President of Kashmiris, then who gave you right to put a period at the end of this statement? Pole has not held, no proof that Kashmiris do not want to be a part of Pakistan .. I am surprised where period comes from.

If you and your government, actually, had only 1/2 of the confidence you are showing here, poll had been held in 50s.

You know, you wont win. So you will never let the poll happen.

Yes, we have had problem due to some selfish politicians and generals. But don't you think its our internal affair?

I remember and you also know what India has been doing in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

I also remember what India did to Sikh freedom fighters.

When did the poll held?

Thats the point.

 

Has Pakistan ever held any poll to ask the Kashmiris in POK about their opinion?

Did Pakistan ask the Kashmiris when it handed over a third of POK to China?

What right did Pakistan have to do that?

Why not go and have a poll for Waziristan and Baluchistan too?

Pakistan has supressed and exploited both for too long now. They no longer want to be a part of Pakistan.

 

Poll will be held in both parts of Kashmir, whenever India agrees. Pakistan has said many times that we are ready to resolve the Kashmir issue according to US resolutions.

What about India? Promised but never delivered.

For the very same reasons India suppressed Sikhs in Punjab, and still combating with tens of organizations fighting for freedom in Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur, Meghalaya, Tripura and many others

 

Pakistan has never fulfilled its part of UN resolution.

Instead of withdrawing Pakistani nationals of J and K, Pakistan is continuously sending its nationals into not just POK , but the Indian side as well.

Pakistan never has given any freedom of expression to the people pf J and K.

The stupid constitution of POK states:

Pakistan sends to jail anyone who speaks against Pakistani rule in POK. Is this freedom of expression?

At least on the Indian side, people are free to voice their opinion and protest.

 

That was the deal in 1947, but Pakistan couldn't hold and attacked independent Kashmir - Kashmir had no way to join India and defend itself

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jammu_and_Kashmir

 

Interesting. Just reading through the thread. muslims kill and injure the infidels (as the quran commands), and it's presented as news.

Observations:

1) muslims immediately attack the poster.
2) the killing isn't the crime, being aware of it seems to be
3) not a bad word by those trying to deflect
4) at least one infidel proposes you must be there in order to post a new story and be aware.
5) numerous attempts to change the topic so it doesn't look bad on the religion of death.

That's about par, eh?

 

Which sides are you refereing, by the way . Remember not a single person has been killed in Kashmir or Jammu ( where there are majority of hindus) by Hindus in retaliation to their hindu killings. Get your records right , don't write just for the heck of writing.

 

..and India simply shoots them or torture to death and release a briefing that they were terrorists. What an easy solution.
Here are some female terrorists your police is beating.


I forgot what is PoTa?

I also forgot why Kashmiris celebrate Black Day in Indian held Kashmir but not in Azad Kashmir?

From: http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/abus-tor.htm

Well, whole world knows whats going on in Indian held Kashmir .. May you either don't know or simply don't want to accept.

May be you need to go to Indian held Kashmir without your ID card and see what your own soldiers do to you.

I have been studying in Engineering University of Azad Kashmir for 4+ years, I was living in hostel and we have had go outside late night, sometime whole night and never ever a policeman or soldier did anything wrong to us. At maximum we were asked for our University ID card.

I am talking on the base of my very personal experience.

A guy here belong to Azad Kashmir, if you want I can invite him and tell you hows things are in Azad Kashmir.
I just knew that he is from AJK 10 mins ago, and I don't know his views about peace and stuff out there. But I am so confident on what I have seen that I can invite him to tell you whats up there. And what he and his friend and his family thinks.

Why not you also try going to Indian held Kashmir and collect some first hand experience?

 

It seems there is a lot to say , but I shall take only some points for now. (GTG for school work )


Well, currently, people in jammu and kashmir are divided into THREE factions, those who want j&k to be a free state, those who want it to join pakistan and those who want it to be with India.

Now, if any decision is done, the other two factions are bound to get aggravated! If kashmir is given to pakistan, then people who want to come to india will shift and those who wanna go to pakistan will want to go to kashmir.

That will resurrect the times of the partition of 1947. I am sure not even pakistan wants that, is it ?

That partition of 1947 killed thousands of people. What for ? Religion? Country ?

Nothing!

Mistakes have been made by foolish politicians of both the sides, and till now we are suffering for it.

Anyways, when I return, i will make a proper post taking all the points into consideration.

Till then , EnjOy!

NO OFFENSE MEANT TO ANYONE!

Regards,
~KMKM

 

One of the most intelligent posts from (apparently) an Indian. Green reps for this.

I agree with most of points you made.

Shouldn't we take in account the decision of largest fraction among the three?

In every poll of the world, 100% people never agrees on one thing .. but all of them have to accept the decision made by larger fraction, even if it is only 1% larger than the successor.

But but but, India will never let the poll happen in J&K .. why? Everyone knows.

 

Here is something from the exact site that you quoted:

Source:

 

What is going on here... Goosh!!!
I am Kashmiri and I want to be with Pakistan.
Not a single person in Azad Kashmir even thinks to be with India.

End of Discussion I think. I know the history, I know what Indian Military is doing there. I migrated from Occupied Kashmir to Azad Kashmir. Now Ask reason and I will show you what is reality.

 

Forget about common people, even leaders of terrorist organizations like JKLF have refused to accept to be a part of Pakistan.

 

Look sachin, I didn't call him here.

Here is what a guy is telling you first hand experience of Indian held Kashmir and Azad Kashmir.

Believe me, If Indian had only half of the confident you are showing here, Poll had been held in 50s.

Pakistan still stands and ready to resolve the issue according to US resolutions, but wheres your promise? lol

Also, may be 1 in 1000 and in worst case 1 in 100 Kashmiris wants to see Kashmir as independent state but believe me, not a single Kashmiri from the whole 3,965,999 want to be a part of India.

And Freelance GD, who really belong to Kashmir, has confirmed this in strong words.

 

How can you say Pakistan wants to resolve the issue when Pakistan neither allows any pro-independence opinions nor does it fulfill the basic conditions of the UN resolution?

India enjoys a lot of support on Indian side of Kashmir and this is increasing with every passing day.

Terrorism is slowly dieing in Kashmir and the reason for this is that the separatists have caused more harm than good to Kashmir. They no longer enjoy the support that they used to enjoy in the 90s when organizations like JKLF picked up arms for the first time.

As Kashmir develops, the economic factors will overshadow the political factors.

The same thing happened in Punjab. Today there is absolutely no violence in Punjab and hardly anyone talks about the separatist movement.

 

I am also from Kashmir , right now in New Delhi. We all ( Hindus) have been made to flee that part by our muslim brothers.Why don't you agree that it is nothing but madness which is engulfing almost entire muslim community world over. Please stop the mayhem in the name of freedom.

 

Look at these pictures and see what brave soldiers of ISLAM have done to KAFIRS.......