US military ordered to kill stray dogs in Iraq

Or this:

This guy should have ultimate moral authority for you, Briant, because:

Anything yet, Briant? We've gone on this fun little tangent for a while now.

But if you feel bad for being called a terrorist sympathizer, maybe you shouldn't try to make poor comparisons between legitimate warfare and planting bombs under schools to blow up kids. Maybe you should say something bad (for a change) about people who actually perpetrate the acts that you pretend to find so horrid. Maybe? Just once?

How about it? Another try, Briant? Surely, by now, you must have an opinion on this.

 

Looks like briant is trying to take the heat off al qaida using children as terrorists and trying to steer the thread to "blame America first."

Why would you do that, Briant?

 

Well sometimes there's really no sense in arguing with people like that.

 

The Japanese aren't quite as self-loathing as all that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II

I was reading this thread and thought, "war criminals heal thyselves." The hypocricy of almost everything about this war in Iraq and the "War on Terror (TM)" is staggaring.

 

So I pretty much was correct then? No issue with children (as long as it's the enemies of your country) as suicide bombers, but let's get back to blaming America first? I appreciate you taking time away from the anti-American posts to confirm this for me.

 

Of course those children are dying why? For WMDs..or was it "democracy"? Or maybe it was $$$...nahhh couldn't be that

 

Have you asked those responsible? I'd like to know why al qaida (the group you mysteriously never have a bad word for) are using children as suicide bombers. Surely you have an excuse for them?

 

You seem to be; and I congratulate you on that, Briant!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_...g_World_War_II

There now are laws that do govern these things. And there are people who violate them every day - by putting bombs under schools, by using retarded kids as bombs, by blowing up hospitals, blowing up schools.

How about directing those high moralled principles towards them? How about it? Just once? Got something for me? Anything, Briant?

 

Civilian Casualties, Dead Japs, WWII, American nukes, Innocent Iraqis, Terrorist American Troops, Muslim Terrorists, And almost everything BUT anything about poor animals...

And I thought we had a thread to discuss animal cruelty and casualties of WAR...So much so for human rights, no-one gives a damn for squirrel/dogs/dolphins rights. poor world *sob* *sob*..

After reading this thread my cat says -

 

Maybe Michael Vick will enlist, then.

 

I would have to agree with that. The ganagaweed in Darfur would disagree with you, as have some in this thread.

 

i used to like you until this post, but now i dont.
Hindsight is a bitch huh? well so is a little education, let me just educate you a little, and then tell me if the Dresden firebombing campaign was shameful or not.
the Germans firebombed Coventry more than once over a number of years, Coventry Blitz Coventry was bombed in July and August 1940 and the worst raid was in November 14, 1940 where 60,000 building in the City Centre were destroyed.
"The raid on November 14 1940 was made by 515 German bombers, two thirds from Luftflotte 3 and the rest from the pathfinders of Kampfgruppe 100. The intent of the raid was to undermine Coventry's ability to supply the Royal Air Force and the British Army by demolishing factories and industrial infrastructure, although it was clear that the damage to the city, including monuments and residential areas, would be considerable."

On the night of April 8/April 9, 1941 Coventry was subject to by another large air raid when 237 bombers attacked the city dropping 315 high explosive bombs and 710 incendiary canisters. In this and another raid two nights later on April 10/April 11 about 475 people were killed and over 700 seriously injured. Damage was caused to many buildings including some factories, the central police station, the Warwickshire Hospital, King Henry VIII's School, and St. Mary's Hall.

Germany was also still sending the V1 and V2 rockets
V1:
The V-1 was the first guided missile used in war and the forerunner of today's cruise missile. Between June 1944 and March 29, 1945, (note this date, still fired at london after the Dresen attack) it was fired at targets in southeastern England and Belgium, London and Antwerp.
Approximately 10,000 were fired at England; 2,419 reached London, killing about 6,184 people and injuring 17,981.

V2:
The V-2 Rocket was the first ballistic missile and first man-made object launched into space, the progenitor of all modern rockets and a direct ancestor of the Saturn V moon rocket. Over 3,000 V-2s were launched as military rockets by the German Wehrmacht against Allied targets in World War II.
From on 8 September 1944, 1358 of them where fired at London, and Antwerp had 1610 fired at it.

neither the V1 or the V2 could be aimed at a target, they could be aimed at a City only.

My points:
#1 To say the moden day weapons we use today are anything like what was used in WWII is laughable.
#2 To say Dresden was a shameful act by the Allies, when it was Clear from the outset of the war that Germany had been carpet bombing the uk cities for 5 years of the war and the last 2 years with rockets. Is in my eye the shameful act on your part, to forget just who started WWII and what they had done and been doing to the people of Europe for 7 long years.
Dresden was nothing more than tit for tat, you bomb our cities, we'll bomb yours, but much harder.
#3 Todays weapons can be launched from 500 miles away and enter the window of choice in a target building, they can not see who is inside. and very few miss. so a few innocent people are killed and that is always regrettable. bombing runs have been called off in the last minutes of a run, when our troops have spotted civilians at or near the target. Unlike terrorists who target the civilians, (18 children playing football)

 

your funny, you seem to use the logic if the enemy does it we should do it

by your logic we should recruiting suicide bombers and targeting civilians because hey, the enemy does it so its ok

 

Samantha, I am sorry I used the expression, but you mistook my meaning. The last thing in my mind was to disrespect women by using the term, as should be evidenced by my history on this board. I used the expression as it is shorthand, cliched, and as usual with a cliched term, whatever original meaning it once had, it wasn't intended now. The word is used in many contexts and if I have fallen afoul of your sensibility, I am truly sorry. Here, from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch


I am equally sorry that my history of defending woman's rights on this board and my respect for what woman has gone through on this globe isn't apparent enough. You seem to operate with a hair trigger of "like" and "don't like." Ultimately, we each live our lives and quite honestly, I couldn't care less what your personal opinion of me is.

Regarding this thread, you have missed the point entirely. As I discussed with Lorien, over several posts, I was responding to his post indicating that "we didn't specifically target civilian populations in WWII." We did. And in my view, it was shameful, for reasons I specifically discussed. Of course, we are all free to disagree with each other. You apparently also missed this, and I repeat now, that this says nothing about the moral stand of the enemy, our actions notwithstanding. I am a student of history and am fully aware, in depth, in detail, and in broader implications, of what Germany wrought on Europe, and beyond your argument, what Japan wrought on its subject nations.

In addition, I again repeat, I was not addressing modern war, or this war, in any way, in the context of the incendiary campaigns used in WWII. Realizing I was likely contributing to derailing the thread, I respectfully bowed out. It is regretful you didn't apparently read before you reacted.

 

"Hindsight is a bitch huh? well so is a little education" <<i was using the term myself, not pointing it out to you as something i was unhappy about. i was just using it myself.

Here is the bigger picture, Germany was working on the A or H bomb long before the UK and USA, we know this because they needed the heavy water from Norway in which the UK attacked the plant making it, and sank the ship that contained a huge shipment of the heavy water, along with killing some school children on that ship.

Germany had already perfected the delivery system for the Abomb or Hbomb with the V2 and a V3 that could reach the USA was in the making. what was not known was how close they were with the bomb, and the UK was not going to sit by and just wait for it to hit london.

my beef with you is that you used Germany and Dresden like they were the injured parties, when you could have said the same about Germany's carpet bombing of Coventry or any other major city in the uk. but i guess like the others you don't see anything bad in the bad people and just want to make them look like the innocent party.

 

and you call yourself educated?

 

I did nothing of the kind, Samantha, but if you need to continue to paint this mistaken impression to satisfy some pre-determined position you have in mind, that's fine. The question of what Germany did was not brought up by Lorien, in his original statement that prompted my reply. What we did, or did not, as allies, was. Hence, I responded with, I hope, the respect with which I hold Lorien and his views.

I will restate it another way, since I've said this many times on this thread. Broadly (grossly so), I pointed out we did some bad things. I stated (in agreement) that the enemy, if it had the capacity, would have done the same (or worse), bad things. That this was so doesn't, by definition, excuse what I believe to have been dubious actions nor, by definition, did it give us, by historical judgment, a morally superior position. I don't know how else to say it, but I am a student of history and this era in particular. I have read, thought, and written on it extensively as an abiding passion for the last couple of decades. Everything you're telling me is known to me already.

 

what a come back,

are you or are you not justifying one parties action based on the actions of another?

its was ok to burn Dresden because the Germans burned other cities, tit for tat is ok, even if burning dresden did not have much military significance

 

i wasn't born then and no thats not what i am saying, i am saying that Germany had 6 years to build up for the war, the UK had about 6 months. while the UK was fighting and supplying troops and planes to Africa and the far east, little could be done about Germany but some token bombing.
the people of the UK seen the UK cities hit time and time again, Coventry 4 times in 2 years, and nothing hitting Germany.

2 months before Dresden, the German army broke out at the battle of the bulge, they had proven that they could still amass a huge army and attack in force, so Victory was still not 100%
Dresden was a major transport hub and industrial centre just the same as Coventry. both were legitimate targets. just because we flattened Dresden in 2 days, unlike Coventry was hit 4 times over 2 years, both were destroyed for the same reason.

Coventry is the 9th largest city in the uk. and Dresden in the 8th largest city in Germany. Both cities are twined with each other.