Questions to the Muslims

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by sarathy, Jul 18, 2007.

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  1. booadam

    booadam Peon

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    #21
    in islam there is no such thing as RE-incarnation. the only thing that can be compared with reincarnation is the resurrection, where each soul that died gets its body reformed to go through the judgement.

    all animals that lived on earth will also be resurrected and if any injustice was done to them by humans, they will get their justice even though they will cease to exist after that.

    all humans beings that will live were extracted from adam (including eve).

    animals and the jinn (another species we don't see - genie in english) are separate creatures. jinns are like humans in that they have ability to distinguish between right and wrong and hence have a judgement.
    there are evil jinns -their leader being shaytan (satan)- and good faithful jinns. some humans can communicate with them.

    all souls that will be incarnated were created before incarnation.
    so ppl that are not born yet, their souls are somewhere waiting.
    similarly animals.
     
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  2. booadam

    booadam Peon

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    #22

    1. depends. if the husband repents for what he did and died in faith, yes maybe....if she still wants him.

    2. everyone waits till day of resurrection. that waiting can seem like a paradise (for believers) or hell (for disbelievers)

    3. no-one who rejects faith will enter paradise, even if wife was believer.
    and a believing woman certainly won't be in hell if husband is there!

    4. the husband's wife will be the most beautiful woman to him in paradise, he will never get bored of her even if he has numerous other virgins.

    5. the successful man is allowed to marry 2 women (from earth). he will also be rewarded with paradise women (who never lived on earth).

    6. i don't know if polyandry is allowed or desired by women in paradise. it is not mentioned anywhere.
     
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    #23
    So the guy gets two wifes? What if two men who did all that is good according to your god wanted the same woman from earth?
     
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  4. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #24
    hummm, so while a man can get heavenly women, along with his wife/wives, the woman will get her husband at the max or nothing.... sounds fair.
     
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  5. booadam

    booadam Peon

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    #25
    god is just.
    that's all you have to know.

    don't worry about situations like if 2 men like the same woman.

    justice will prevail and everyone will get what he deserves.
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #26
    I thought you knew everything about Islam? You sure do want others to think that you do...
    Mary Magdalene is NOT the mother of Jesus...She was a disciple of Jesus (some nutjobs even claim she was his wife)

    again, I thought you knew everything about islam?


    Also, my english translation of the Koran says 72 white grapes, not virgins...(white grapes are considered virgin grapes though)...so do male souls (although there is no difference between male and female according to islam???) get 72 grapes instead?
     
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  7. DevilHellz

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    #27
    How about those women who had no husband in their entire lives ?
     
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    #28
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  9. d16man

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    #30
    Many bloggers, forums and newspapers reporting on the same bogus theory does not make the bogus theory credible when it is contradicted by all classical scholars and all narrations in explanation of these verses that have been handed down through centuries.


     
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    #31
    there are many professors and language experts that also say the koran is wrong....so who is right?
     
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  12. grandad

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    #32
    Interesting contrast to what is written in the bible ...

    "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead.
    The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
    If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
    So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
    I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
    " (1 Corinthians 15:42-50)
     
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    #33
    Females always go to hell, apparently. So they get to share 1 dude with 72 other chicks.
     
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  14. sarathy

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    #34
    can any mods pls close this thread, i dont want this to become another islam bashing thread :)

    thanks
     
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  15. Freelance GD

    Freelance GD Well-Known Member

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    #35
    1) What is a soul as per Islam

    The Qur'an says,

    They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little. (17:85)

    So we don't have much knowledge of the soul.

    What we do know is that it is an intangible part of an individual's existence that is "pure" at birth and has the potential of growing and achieving nearness to God if the person leads a righteous life. At death a person's soul makes the transition to an eternal afterlife. This transition can be pleasant (Paradise) or unpleasant (Hell) depending on the degree to which a person has developed or destroyed his or her soul during life (Qur’an 91:7-10).


    2) Does God produce male soul, female soul and different souls for different species on earth?

    Meaning does the should have a gender? The soul was created to reside in a body, so yes, I suppose so.

    3)Does a male soul that goes to heaven gets some virgins? i read it somewhere

    Well the soul will actually reside in a body in Heaven as well. Not the bodies we have now but perfect ones. Both men and women will get whatever they want.

    4) does female souls go to heaven?

    Of course!

    5) How about the souls of non humans, do they go to heave or hell as there is no rebirth in Islam, will the non human soul (for example animal souls) go to heaven? since they don't do any harm in their life.

    From my understanding, the human soul is unique and is the only creation of God that will experience an afterlife. The souls of other creatures are part of the temporary creation (the universe). I don't know if soul is the correct word, in Islam we have a word called fitrah. This is the natural disposition of God's creation which dictates the behaviour of animals.

    Point: Animals are innocent and they also have souls thus they go to heaven.

    They have a fitrah, or a lesser soul which does not experience an afterlife. So no, they don't go to heaven.

    6) Does Koran consider all souls equal?

    Humans souls are the same. Some souls are greater as they achieve closeness to God due to the good actions whilst in the body.

    7) Are some souls inferior than others, Like Animal souls are inferior to human souls?

    Like I said, human souls are unique so it cannot be compared to the innate nature of animals. The rest of the creation, i.e. atoms, molecules, plants, animals have a natural disposition, an innate nature called the fitrah. This is not like the human soul.

    8) Does Koran permit the killing of innocent?


    No.

    9) If no, What is the punishment for killing an innocent?

    In this world, depending on the situation it can result in the most severest of penalties, death, or payment of blood money (compensation). In the hereafter it could mean Hellfire.

    10)If there is any punishment for killing innocents, Do people who kills animal get that punishment since animals are innocent souls?

    Depends. If the killing of the animal is for legitimate reasons, ie food or medicine, then there is no punishment. The reason for this is that God created this world for humans to live in and to use the resources responsibly, which includes animals and plants. But if the killing is unnecessary or cruel then there may be a punishment in this world i.e. there may be a punishment under law. Also cruelty and unnecessary killing of animals is a sin and Islam prohibits such actions.

    I hope that has helped.

    Peace
     
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  16. The Webmaster

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    #36
    Not really, When I talk to Buddhists, Jains, or Hindu preachers, they say every soul is the same, be it human or animal thus we should not kill innocent harmless animals for any reason, as it is equal sin as killing another innocent harmless human. Buddhist and Jain insist on strictly no killing regardless of harm a animal can cause.
     
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  17. Freelance GD

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    #37
    This is why they dont eat meat?
    Animals are created for human beings so as to fulfill their daily needs.
    Without any purpose killing or even beating is a sin in Islam. )Here 'purpose' means for eating.)
     
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    #38
    Typical lorien and d16man - instead of trying to learn they are just here to bash anything about Islam.

    Why cant you guys leave a thread about Islam alone?? No one is insulting the US here so your opinions are not wanted and your regular Islam bashing is not required.

    Back to the OP, I think it is all a matter of faith in any religion. For example, you can never answer all the questions posed exactly as the Webmaster pointed out. But people who have faith in any religion do not tend to question the religion. They have faith and believe.
     
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    #39
    sorry Ahmad, I have to disagree with you about this.
    in Islam (as far as I know) that there is no original sin.
    every babies born without sin.
    Adam and Eve committed sin, and the sin will be theirs only, will not be pass it to their children.
    Can we'll be guilty for our parent crimes?
     
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  20. sarathy

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    #40
    Most humans enjoy the parents wealth, why not their sin?
     
    sarathy, Jul 20, 2007 IP
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