IMO if you support US you should want our troops home. Here is why. The war in Iraq c

IMO if you support US you should want our troops home. Here is why:

The war in Iraq cannot be won.
It is obvious that there are enough new suicides that can wreck havoc for years to come. As long as there tons of people believing they go to paradise by being martyrs there is no way any military can stop them.

America is bleeding slowly in terms of money for the war, losing people, and image as a fair player in the world.

If you want America to lose IMO you would want America to be engaged in Iraq forever, and in just about every conflict around the world.
(One can always find "patriotic (democratic etc.) reasons" for that.)


The bad guy Saddam was removed. Is Iraq better now?

 

I want them home two years ago. I'm having more and more of a difficult time with this, every day.

What I don't want, is the hatred of people like AGS, gworld, MattUK, ferret and others here who serve to do nothing more than put honorable soldiers down for doing their mission, to have a victory for al qaida.

What I don't want, is innocent Iraqis living under the rule of al qiada and other terrorist groups there, which will surely happen if we pull out prematurely. On the other hand, last week, the Iraqi government said they don't need us there anymore. Great, time to come home.

What I'm wonder most though is, if people like AGS and gworld, who clearly want Iraqis to live under terrorist rule because of some hatred they have of Iraqis, maybe I should have this same opinion? Maybe I should also hate Iraqis and hope that they live under al qaida's rule? I mean, if others can do so, why can't I?

If anything, this war has proved that muslims cannot police and manage themselves. It proves their continued desire to kill amongst themselves. That's whose doing the killing. muslims on muslims. Maybe they are not capable of living in peace and harmony? Maybe they don't have the ability to live peacefully. It may very well be, that muslims are not capable of conducting themselves in a civilized manner and actually deserve to kill each other, like they are doing now. And if that's true, then "our" soldiers need to pack up and come home and let muslims do what they do best...kill each other for power.

 

That's how Saddam got in power. He was best at killing his opponents who btw were trying to kill him for power.
Dictatorship is kind of a norm for muslim societies with some exceptions. And the dictators kill their opponents.

US will leave Iraq for sure. I hope the strongest in Iraq then won't be taleban, or Iranian style Islamic leader.

 

I hope so too. It's getting harder and harder for me to deal with this issue. When I look at the options (my opinions) above, it doesn't look promising.

 

That is because it is a complete fuck up over there.

The troops need to be removed right away, the so-called "war" is unwinnable GTech and even someone as stupid as you are knows that.

Every single American hero killed over there is a complete utter waste of life because as I keep telling people like you the "war" is a complete sham, only created by your hero Bush (through the scumbags that control him) for money, OIL and strategic positioning in the Middle East to cause even more misery.

 

This was the best post I have read from you.

Not to sound callous to the Iraqi people, but America needs to do right by the Americans. Bring our people home and out of harms way.

There are a lot of ways to influence what happens in Iraq after we leave, hopefully we can use the positive and negative experiences from Korea and Vietnam to do it better this time around.

 

I hope, once US leaves, they start working on betterment of their economy, education and human rights.

 

Iraq had a very decent educational standard (by middle eastern standards) prior to the war.

http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/1864.cfm

You're talking about higher order needs.

The first thing they need is food and clean water. Then they need shelter and relative security. Then, and only then can they advance their culture and global stature. Right now, basic needs aren't even there. If we had tended to that after removing Saddam, we'd be heroes instead of occupiers waging militarized police actions against insurgents.

It's common sense that unfortunately does not fit into this government's policy on natural resources.

 

We need to let them sort out their differences. They have been at each other long before the US became a nation.

 

Well, We have been doing that already, but unfortunately reconstruction and community help is not as hot and salable as killings, so its not the prime focus of news .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_of_Iraq

 

I'm not interested in your pro-terrorist, pro-hamas opinion. I already know who and what you support; you've gone to great lengths to make sure everyone knows who you stand behind. We get the message.

 

So let al qaida and terrorists take over. muslims are not capable of living as civilized human beings and are incapable of policing themselves. If that is indeed the case (and I'm merely entertaining ideas through questions here), then yes, it's time to come home and let them kill each other. allah can sort out who gets the virgins and who doesn't.

 

I don't believe anyone can expect the same standards during a war, when al qaida is blowing up schools, killing children, threatening to kill women who seek education, etc. This and worse, will continue, if those who want al qaida to win get their way (no implications there, just saying...)

I have another article from the same site you source, that you might be interested in:

The Sad Truth Is That All Terrorists Are Muslim

Just thought I'd share that with you.

 

Keep your racist prejudice out of here please GTech.

As for the fuckup, it is a fuckup and a wholly unwinnable "war."

At least you are starting to wake up to the fact, it has taken some time though.

 

Save your race card for a thread dealing with race. We know who you support. Your enemy propaganda isn't welcome here.

 

I guess it depends where you are looking. As far as I recall the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) are not Muslim and they are " arguably the most lethal and well organised terrorist group in the world."

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cach.../Goto.asp?ID=24+LTTE&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

 

I'm not the author of the article. A muslim wrote it, so I couldn't say where he was looking. It seems a few are starting to come out and confirm what many have known for quite some time.

 

You chose to post an article titled "The Sad Truth Is That All Terrorists Are Muslim", so is that your belief, or do you disagree with that?

 

Are these the same innocent Iraqis that you were cheering the criminals who raped the teenage girl and murdered her family? have you condemned those actions yet?

Stop the BS, you don't give damn about them and most likely you dream that you could be there to kill some Arabs if it didn't pose any danger to you. The only reason that you have become "concerned" about the innocent Iraqis is the fact that you can see the writing on the wall and want to have an excuse when USA has to leave.

 

Al Queda doesn't explain the deterioration of education immediately after the invasion of Kuwait.

I'm just making a point in general, that peace works. Education has been a proven method for reducing cultural biases. But before we can get high and mighty about demanding they abandon Islam and westernize, basics like food, health and security must be addressed. We've already shown the entire world we are incapable of policing an Islamic state, so maybe it is time to allow those people to police themselves.

Any lunatic who decides to seize power for radical purposes is going to lose popular support quickly when he cannot feed people because they are sanctioned into oblivion. A successful leader will address social issues.

I feel like I am repeating myself in this forum, but peace never comes at the barrel of a gun. It comes through compromise and compassion.