Vegetarianism and religion are they compatible?

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  1. bfebrian

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    #21
    some people don't eat meat because it expensive.
    some people eat vegetables, because it what they can only afford.
    some people barely can eat once a day.
     
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  2. Lexiseek

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    #22
    I'm vegetarian. It's partly the issue of animal cruelty, but it's primarily the lack of trust I have towards the meat-packing industry.

    I don't trust cloned beef or chickens without beaks. Anyone who educates themselves on the issue will get turned off to fast, regardless of religious ideas.
     
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    #23
    That's very nice of you to think that way. And that is what Prophet Muhammad pbuh taught too. Once he came across a camel whose owner was not feeding it properly. He, being a prophet, understood it and scolded the owner and told him that God will even ask you about how you treated your animals.

    In Islam, there is a specific way of sacrificing an animal. It is known as "Sabihah". In it, the animal dies without much pain.
    The animal has to die anyway one day. But God has allowed us to eat animals. There are many essential fatty acids and amino acids which can only be obtained from animal meat. Also, the enzymes in our alimentary canal namely pepsin, trypsin, enterokinase and others are specifically present to digest animal proteins.
    I can go on with the science of it! :D
     
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  4. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #24
    You can get the correct combination of amino acids to make a complete protein by combining beans and rice or bread and peanut butter.:)

    Realm-"like the cures that were from animals and plants"
    I am not 100% against animal research but it needs to be watched and evaluated closely. For example, when I was in junior high school they made us dissect a cat. This was a total waste of animal life, the school could have easily used a model to show us the body parts.
    On the other hand, there was a vet tech school I know of that would take animals that were slated for euthanasia from the pound. They used them for a semester and practised giving vaccines, iv's, neutering etc. These animals were given a lot of attention and care was taken not to stress them. By the end of semester, they would always have good homes lined up for all of them. By the end of each semester they would all be adopted and then they would bring in new animals that were slated for euthanasia from pound. Kind of a win win situation.
    Another animal research I heard about in the past is the military torching pigs to study burn management, that is cruel and should never be done.
    So, I just think "animal research" is not all the same and needs to be evaluated individually before I could say I agree or disagree.
     
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  5. DeniseJ

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    #25
    Hey Rebecca - I didn't know you were a vegetarian. Now I don't feel so alone :)

    I don't believe you have to eat meat to get the essential nutrients needed to thrive. I have been a vegetarian for almost 6 years and I am doing just fine. You just have to know what you are doing before you decide to cut meat out of your diet.

    A balanced diet isn't hard to achieve as a vegetarian.

    As far as animal research... I don't believe in animal research/testing for the most part. Everything I know about animal testing is horrific and cruel. You would be amazed at the torture those animals endure. There are more humane methods to conduct research.
     
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    #26
    hey ahmad...I'm cooking up some bbq tonite? You like pork ribs or the loin part??:D
     
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  7. Ahmad_Malik

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    #27
    Geez. Thanx.
    I prefer pizzas. :D
     
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    #28
    figured as much...just thought I would ask though...can't say I never invited...
     
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    #29
    You know what. There are complete animal rights in Islam. I'm not sure about dissection, but hunting animals for pleasure and sport is forbidden in Islam.

    You're right that we can get many amino acids and fatty acids from other sources too, but they are not ample. Also God has given us the enzymes to digest animal proteins. It would only make sense if we eat them.
    Anyway, I can be a perfect Muslim being a vegetarian, but I just can't stand Chicken Fajita pizzas and Tachos. :D

    [​IMG]
     
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    #30
    Never mind.
    Do come to Pakistan once.
    And I'll show you what food is like. :cool:
     
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    #31
    Nice to meet another vegetarian:)
     
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    #32
    I really enjoyed that link. It is nice that Islam has considered animal rights.:)
    I love this one...
    "The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said; “Whoever kills a sparrow or any thing bigger then that without a just cause, Allah will hold him accountable on the Day of Judgment.”

    And...
    "Fakhar: Hunting for any other purpose than eating purposes is strictly restricted in Islam. Suffice to say, there is no concept of killing an animal for their fur, tusks, trophy, ivory or even for medicinal use. My thoughts are that Islam neither allows us to hunt for fur nor the use of wild animals skins for clothing purposes."
     
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    #33
    1 out of every 300 people in the USA are vegetarians, but you can't even order a salad at a restaurant that doesn't come with chicken.

    Go figure.
     
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    #34
    Your right about that, it is hard to find a place that is vegetarian friendly and I just eat at home most of the time. But if I do eat out, I like to go to Mimi's. It is a french restaraunt that has great food! Or in the Whole Foods supermarket they have chairs and tables to enable you to eat there as well.
     
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    #35
    It's not really that hard where I live. There are tons of places that cater to vegetarians/vegans.

    Even the mainstream restaurants typically have a veggie burger or something else I can eat.
     
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    #36
    Do you know how many diseases have been cured or vaccines developed because of animal testing?

    Penicillin
    Insulin
    Polio Vaccine
    Chemotherapy
    Hip Replacement
    Heart Bypass Surgeries

    Many surgeries are practiced on animals before they are tried on humans.
     
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    #37
    Uh huh.

    I'm not going to get into that subject because it's just going to make me angry. I'm sick and very irritable right now.

    All I'm going to say is that animal testing isn't necessary when there are other methods that are just as effective if not more so.
     
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    #38
    may I ask what those are? human testing maybe?
     
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    #39
    Yes. There are several alternatives for both animal research and animal testing. Human tests are included (but these are volunteer-only.)

    http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=87

    Ignore the fact that it's from PETA to all those PETA haters out there. The same information is readily available on other websites but this was the one I came to first.
     
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    #40
    During the years 1998-2005, PETA took in about 18,000 animals. Of those, 3,000 were adopted. 15,000 were put to sleep. Because it costs more to feed and care for them, that it does to kill them.

    PETA is more of a self promotion group, than anything else. But let's put that aside.

    If these 15,000 animals are going to be put asleep (killed) anyways; why not turn them over to research so their death could possibly save many people. Certainly that's not a bad trade off right? You aren't testing on any animal that didn't already have a death warrant on it.
     
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