Al-Qa'ida 'moving to blast American city with N-bomb'

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  1. Idiot Inside

    Idiot Inside Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Are you one of them? How can you be so sure? Islam never allow killing of innocent people, so they MUST have some other agenda other than Islam.


    Exactly!

    Bush is also a terrorist and his acts are giving birth to more terrorism and terrorists.
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Great post :)
     
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    #23
    all for oil?? Is that why the price at the pump has risen $.90 since Nancy Pelosi took office?? Wasn't she the one that said she would stop the rising price of oil? If it was all for oil, why is the US not one of the top recievers of the oil from Iraq? Why isn't oil prices in the US, UK, and Australia at record lows?
    http://www.energyrefuge.com/archives/where_oil_comes_from.htm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071001870_2.html

    And just so you have the record straight, here is a list of oil import companies and how much they import from the WHOLE middle east (most of these companies are not even in Iraq)...However, make sure you take notice of all the 0's...

    http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ompany_level_imports/current/summary2006.html
     
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    #24
    Nope, If were one of them, I'd have been busy blowing up children.

    I have seen a documentary where they interviewed some ex- terrorist (ex because they later realized the same thing what you were saying in your earlier post, and surrendered), they said it, those were not my wording.

    I never said Islam allows killing, you are a muslim so you'd know it better, not me.
     
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    #25
    but why are they killing thousands of Iraqis every month? :confused:.

    Everyday, there are at least two suicide attacks in Iraq and majority of those killed are Iraqis.

    what's the logic of killing your fellow countrymen to avenge deeds of a foreigner?
     
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  6. gkd_uk

    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Exactly!

    Bush is also a terrorist and his acts are giving birth to more terrorism and terrorists.[/QUOTE]

    I agree.

    We never had bombings in the UK before. This all happened after Bush decided to drag Tony Blair along to Iraq.

    Why does Bush think he can do what ever he wants.

    He can go and attack any country he wishes to and kills as many people as he wishes and no one can stop him. This is what you call terrorism.

    The terrorists have even said that they will stop if troops get out of Iraq, but bush wants more OIL and lots of it. He will never leave.

    Thousands of Troops have died because of him and for what.. An Illegal War. I blame Bush for this rise in Terrorist attacks.

    I want all this to stop and stop now. But until troops do not leave we will continue hearing about more terrorist attacks. :(
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #27

    When we did not invade Iraq, all Iraqis lived together in peace and as family. The shias lived happily with Sunnis.

    The terrorists have taken advantage of this war and stirred hate between these people and now Iraq is at Civil war :(
     
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    #28
    they had too, or saddam would kill them...right? come on, tell the truth...saddam was a dictator who had control over everything in Iraq, and people may have lived peacefully, but that peace came at a price.
     
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  9. gkd_uk

    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #29
    This is business, why should they lower prices when they know they can make billions and they know that we have no choice but to pay to keep our cars etc running.

    If oil was at record low, who would be the first person to be questioned, Bush would. He would harm himself if prices were at a record low as the public would know why and where the oil was coming from. Stats and the media is mostly propaganda and we all know that.


     
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    #30
    did I know what? I made that post, of course I know...

    Bush would not be questioned, he would be celebrated...which proves that this war is not for oil. Bush would not harm himself, instead, the elections would have probably gone very different.

    Stats and Media is propaganda? Then why do you believe them when they say that the war is for oil? You can't be a flip flopper...

    How old are you anyway, because it sounds like you are about 14 and have no clue as to any sort of political process. I think you need to do your research, come up with a good argument, present some FACTS to back up your argument, and then we will be happy to discuss it with you.


    Also, here is a good place to start...this provides a breakdown of oil and gas profits, as well as the profit margin. Do you know what that is? If you look, oil and gas companies have a far LOWER profit margin than most other companies. But I bet you don't know this, and all you know is the amount of profit they make, which is large. However, they have a larger than the average company SPENDING bill as well, which is why the PROFIT MARGIN IS LOWER....class dismissed, this is the end of todays lesson.

    http://www.conocophillips.com/newsroom/other_resources/energyanswers/oil_profits.htm
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #31
    Bush has probably killed more civillians then Sadam has and secondly they did not go into Iraq because Sadam was killing people, they went into Iraq for Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Did they find any???
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #32
    Sorry, I have edited my post. Please read above :)

    Thanks
     
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    #33
    How old are you, I assume you never heard of IRA.

    Yeah? really? Ever been to Iraq, or cared to watch world news before your 14th birthday?
    Perhaps you want to dig about Saddam's regime to get more facts or you want me to do the job for you? ;)

    Thats one of the most ignorant posts I have seen ever..
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #34
    This is a good debate but I'm sorry, I have to go. Will be back later :)

    Takecare :)
     
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  16. Idiot Inside

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    #36
    He become true Muslim after he realised and quit terrorism. Before that he was just a brain washed moron, who know nothing about Islam and its teachings.

    Other than that, It can be some propaganda against Islam/Muslims. Doing such dirty tricks during (cold) war is nothing new, some secret agencies are very well known for thier deceiving media war.

    When Islam doesn't allow killings, its pointless to say that Muslim are doing this.
    If someone is really a muslim and truely following the religion he will never kill a single innocent human. And if someone still do this, he is not following the Islam and his acts are due to some personal, political or geographical agenda but not religious.

    Like I said, people doing (or willing to do) terrorism attacks in US, UK are because they want revenge. US, UK etc. are paying the price of what they have done to those people.

    This is not related to religion, if you attack, bomb and invade India or China .. you will see similar outcome. The difference will be that, if the target country is Muslim, they will call this war 'Jihad' and if target country is non-Muslim, they will call it 'freedom fighting'
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #37
    I was posting about Muslim and Suicide attacks not IRA.


    We invaded Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction not his regime. If you want me to watch the news then the news has also reported that more people have been killed since the invasion of Iraq.


    I have spoken to many Iraqi's in the UK who have told me that Shia'a and Sunnys got on. I don't need to research about this when I have heard it from Iraqi's themselves.


     
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    #38
    oh, so you really don't know about the people of Iraq getting along, all you have is hearsay? Like I said before, you really need to do your research before you try to present an unfounded argument. And I thought (according to you) we invaded for oil?? Now you are saying it was for WMD's?? (BTW, send a message to Gtech and he will provide you with all the WMD information that you can handle)
     
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    #39
    No its not pointless. Simply disowning them doesnt help. They are doing it on the name of RELIGION. So Muslims who dont support their acts should voice their opinion more vocally. I dont see many Muslims condemning their acts.

    All I see that very few trying to convince the world that terrorists are not muslims.

    Condemning the act and effectively getting rid on it is one thing and disowning them is entirely different. First will solve the issue real soon while second wont do anything.
     
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    #40
    sorry for intrusion guys, but if someone with weapons of mass destruction should get invaded .. should not we count what country have largest number of nukes and shall invade that?
    Or you think nukes are not weapons of mass destruction?
     
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