LMAO! Damn good point! Wouldn't want it to accidentally (and of course, for non-religious reasons) go boom Gold, money, jewelry (oops, theres a *jew* in that word!) and other valuables will suffice. Anyone feeling guilty?
correct. if we using some twisted mind of gtech, that it's ok for indians to claim back north america as their land or aborigin to claim back australia. btw, that answer your question gtech, the real two christian countries that still occupied foreign land that they take it by force.
no, their only purpose is FREEDOM. Just happen that jews that the one who came and claim the land. They will do the same thing with another religions, another countries, another race. Palestinias can't even hold the winning election that being done fairly, and the winning party is Hamas. Majority of palestinians people elect Hamas, that what we called democracy. But, Israel and West have another agenda, that why civils war is going on in there.
Hate to burst your bubble here, but no entity on earth has more experience in occupying and taking others lands than islam. Their purpose is not freedom, but it does sound nice. Their repeated purpose, as stated, is to kill Jews and wipe israel off the map. Let's not sugar coat it.
hate to burst your bubble here, but british, france, dutch, spain are christians when they start conquer the world. remember how spain extermintae the legendary mayan in south america? or british and france that killed native indians. don't forget about roman too, their christians. now, usa occupied iraq. don't look to far, it around you.
Yes, Christians fought back against muslims after hundreds of years of conquests and conversions by the sword. And after the Crusades, islam kept right on marching, forcefully killing and converting. I don't have a problem with that. Damn glad, to be honest. Otherwise, I might be worshiping a false prophet today. If the US is occupying Iraq, why did the Iraqi leaders today plea with the US not to pull out too soon? Let me know what you come up with on that one, k? Iraq is occupied by terrorists. Their mission is to take over Iraq. Is that what you want? Would you like to live under taliban like conditions? Would you send your family there to live under those conditions? If not, then why do you want the Iraqi people to live under them? Or, perhaps like stOx and AGS, you don't believe Iraqis deserve freedom and want the worst for them?
after crusade? after crusade more christian countries occupied foreign land. I don't remember any arab country sail over sea and trying to occupied another land with force. do iran have teritory somewehere in south east asia or somewehe else? do iraq? do saudi arabia? do any other muslim country? for your info, is not the arab who the first spread islam in south east asia, is the chinnese, muslim chinnese. And they not take the whole army to do it, they do it while their trade with us.
Spain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus Need any other help? Here's a complete map for more assistance:
Lets start with Indian region. 1. First ever Muslim attack was in 715 C.E in Sindh. These Muslim invaders were Arabs led by Mohammad Bin Qasim. They had displaced Raja Dabir who ruled Sindh from his capital Deval (near modern Karachi). The actual reason for this invasion was that Raja Dabir was aiding the Iranian (Zoroastrian) princes in trying to overthrow the Arab Rule in Persia. But the pretext given by Arab historians for the Arab invasion of Sindh is that Raja Dabir's navy had detained an Arab merchant ship. To avenge this detention of a merchant ship, the Arabs overran the entire kingdom of Raja Dabir as also the neighbouring kingdom of Mulasthana (Multan). They even unsuccessfully tried to attack Malwa (Malibah in Arab records)! After this invasion which was limited to Sindh, for a period of 300 years all further Muslim attacks were thwarted by Kings like Raja Bhoja and other Gurjara Kings. 2. The second surge of the Muslim aggression began in 980 C.E. and lasted till 1020 C.E. This was the time when the Shahi Kings of Punjab grappled with the invaders. By the year 1020 C.E. Muslim rule had been established in Afghanistan, Paktoonistan (NWFP) and West Punjab. These Muslim invasions were led by Mahmud of Ghazni. The Rajputs ruling North India resisted further Muslim aggression. 3. The third wave of a successful Muslim invasion led by Mahmud Shabuddin Ghori (or Ghauri) took place between 1191 C.E. and 1255 C.E. This was the time the Muslims extended their occupation to Delhi. The lead role in resisting this invasion was played by Prithviraj Chouhan. This Muslim surge brought East Punjab, the Ganges Valley (Uttar Pradesh and Bihar) and Bengal under Muslim Occupation. This invasion reached up to Bengal where the last Hindu kingdom ruled by Laxman Sena was overurn by the Muslims. But the Muslims were checked and repelled when they tried to invade Orissa, where the Hindu King Narasimha Deva defeated Tugan Khan who invaded Orissa from Bengal. To commemorate this victory, Narasimha Deva erected the Sun Temple at Konark. 4. The next surge of the Muslim Invasion was launched from Delhi by Allah-ud-din Khilji in the year 1310 and was led by his general Malik Kafur. This invasion trampled the Hindu Kingdoms of the Yadavas of Devgiri in Maharashtra, the Kakatiyas of Warangal in Andhra Pradesh, the Hoysala of Belur-Halebid in Karnataka and the Pandyas of Madurai in Tamil Nadu. This invasion lasted till the year 1328 and with this invasion, except Orissa and Assam, the whole of India passed under Muslim Occupation. 5. The Last Muslim Invasion was by Babaar, The First Moughal Emperor. 6. After Independence Pakistan tried to invade India in 1947, 1965 and in 1971. I think thats enough... And *Cough* Ottoman Empire *Cough*
let see.. the based on wiki, the crusade start on 1095-1291 the muslim allready occupied the andalus from 710. and my question is... I have to repeat again... after the crusade.
bfe, do you recall what happened before the Crusades? Before Christians got fed up and finally started fighting back? Let's review: http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html One might think that muslims learned a lesson the first time, but it seems if they are looking for a rematch to erase dishonor from the old days. Would you agree with that?
Ah, my bad. Yeah, it's probably not best to talk about those "bad" times of oppression, swords, conquered lands, etc that led up to it, huh? No problem, I completely understand
You seem to carefully avoid the post that doesnt go well with your own posting. I very well reckon that I have given enough ref. of Muslim invasions after the last crusade.
ah thanks for the info... so there is a muslim country that still expanding land after the crusade. while in india, after the crusade, I would like to say, it not another country invasion, but more like a civil war. (indian fight agains indian) about ottoman, this is what I Got from wiki
I don't know maybe it's because 97% of Iraqi citizens are Muslim and this religion is inherently evil, therefore 97% of Iraqis are inherently evil. (Why someone would want the worst for them.) Not my thought, but since you seem to drag user's quotes from thread to thread, I can do the same. Not a quote, but pretty much the logic you use in your posts. But then again, we could force them to be Christian. (sarcasm)
ah gtech, you always saying that muslim hate jews, as because it writen in quran. see my previous post. if muslim hate jews, and ottonam is a muslim counrty, they have all the power to kill all of jews in their kingdom. but, they did not. why? because muslim don't hate jews.
A topic change and an accusation! Well done! Why? Not enough time? Dhimmis? Jizya? Perhaps we should look to the hadith to better understand how muslims will get to heaven? We could also look here.
so why the muslim ottoman can live along side with jews and christian or chatolic? I think they have better understanding about their haddith rather than you.