As it is a complete puppet Iraqi Government chulium does that not surprise you? They say whatever "Commander Guy" tells them to say.
What day would you like al qaida to take over? That is what you want, correct? Will you be moving to Iraq to live under the rule of terrorists? You sure seem to promote their cause.
Progress is actually being made in Iraq, alot of local sheiks are now fighting Al Quaida, the Iraqi police force is gaining reputation as a respected police force and handling alot more missions on their own and local forces that have been fighting the insurgency without US support now are backed financially and equipment wise by the US. Because of the surge, my unit is transforming and is expected to be deployed after the transformation(thankfully itll take 2 years to transform). But I think increased forces is necessary to train and prepare Iraqi forces to be able to handle a pull-out.
Thank you for your service! You really have to wonder why the news spends all of its time reporting negativity and what Paris and Britney are doing. Good news is obviously not rating worthy news...
Really? Why did no one say that before the invasion? All I heard was WMD, WMD, WMD... Either you're a civilian making an unfounded guess or in the military and know for sure they had WMD (in which case that would be releasing classified material... Big no-no) Been there, done that, got the t-shirt...
WMD as well, which were found...Gtech has all the evidence, just ask him as he can point you straight to a single post without me having to cut and paste.
The only WMD that were found was mustard gas and degraded sarin nerve agents which were developed before the 1991 war and had well outlived their toxic lifespan... While these chemicals should not be consumed directly, they did not pose the kind of threat that was portrayed by the prewar intelligence estimates. If you need links to backup my post, I'd be more then happy to provide some later...
Fair, but not quite correct. I believe in one of these links on the WMD found, there is an article that mentions comments from a Colonel experienced in these weapons that described the threat of them. The shells were corroded, but the contents could very easily have been recycled into IEDs or other explosive devices to cause great death. The information I have shows a completely different summary. Yes, I'd like to see your links. And if for some reason, the article I referenced was not in the links above, I can dig up the article where a WMD expert testified about how lethal the WMD were, that was found. I don't know of anyone who declares the WMD found was part of any prewar intelligence. That's a self-imposed qualifier. My only contention has been, that *some* were found. Indeed, *some* were found.
I couldn't agree more about the toxins... They could have easily been mixed with other attack means to kill our soldiers, or each other (sunni vs shia)... But in my personal opinion that doesn't justify the term "weapons of mass destruction"... If taking out a few uparmored humvees is "mass" then all these IED's and VBIED's could be consided WMD... I agree *some* were found, but to my knowledge they were all '91 or earlier... I'm going to take a look at the links you posted... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html Fox News: These are the toxins I was talking about... I wouldn't recommend anyone drink them, but sarin has a shelf life of no longer then 1 year, and mustard and VX can last a little longer (3-4 years), but are a lot less potent... http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13835 About half way down they talk about Iraq having sarin and VX, then make a claim that rockets containing sarin and mustard gas were launched at our troops in may of '04... I was there in '04 and never heard anything about that, and that is definitely something I would have heard about, haha... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/25/wirq25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/25/ixnewstop.html This is about the possibility that Iraq shipped their wmd to Syria; popular speculation, but there is no evidence. With how much heat is on Pres. Bush, I'm positive he would have fully investigated this, knowing that if they WERE shipped to Syria it would make him look good in the history books. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html This discusses more about the sarin and vx that was found in '05, then contradicts the last articles claim about the rocket containing sarin that was launched at our troops in '04 by saying "No chemical weapons are known to have been used so far in Iraq's insurgency"... And this article was from '05... This article is interesting because it makes the claim that the suspected lab could have been built, or atleast used, after the '03 invasion... I'll look into that more, but am pretty sure that the claim wound up being incorrect... The good thing about reading articles from 2 years ago, you can see if they were right or wrong it's like looking into the future, from the past... http://newsbusters.org/node/6046 This is just a blog about how little attention the sarin and mustard agents got...
I can understand why we are sending more troops to Iraq, I mean I would love to end this war and have an exit plan, but we can't just up and leave Iraq. We need an exit plan soon though, otherwise people will start to riot. I would riot if I knew where one was going on!
Agreed, though I've never contended such. My postion has always been of the simplest form...*some* wmd have been found. Did you by chance happen to hear about the Jordan plot in 2005? It was a great debate (or denial by some) here regarding 20 tons of chemical WMD that *somehow* arrived in Jordan via al qaida in Iraq, through Syria. They were caught, put on trial, and after that, no idea what happened to them. Some of the chemical WMD found was not made by Syria, but was in Iraq. The leader of the group admitted working for and trained by zarqawi in Iraq. It received very little press. A chemical lab was found in 2005. Other than that, I take no objection. The pre91 qualifier doesn't dismiss that *some* were found. I'll take exception with this one last statement: There was a report by the UN confirming that *some* of saddam's WMD were moved to Syria. I have it, somewhere in a mountain of bookmarks I've saved over the years. What I take exception with though, is Bush. One of the areas that I take great exception with Bush and this administration is, their absolute refusal to fight back. When the 500 WMD munitions were found, his administration said something to the affect "that it's not going to change anything, so it's not worth discussing." He's been an absolute wuss when it comes to fighting back against the media and democrats. He's left things unchallenged, unanswered and doesn't seem to care one bit when it comes to setting the record straight. It's been a huge source of frustration for myself and others, that he lets *everyone* walk all over him. Couple that with his immigration handling, his border security failures, sucking up to CAIR and repeatedly saying "islam is a religion of peace," he's been less than disappointing.
I looked this up in google and found an article on it: History's Largest WMD Trial Begins I read it, interested, and was amazed at the content... Until I flipped to the sites main page and saw: Haha... But honestly, that's a very interesting find... Never heard of it, but I'm definitely going to look into it... Agreed. Good debate... I know on issues like this I come off as bleeding heart, But in actuality I'm a centrist... I completely disagree with both sides on most issues... I just go issue by issue trying to use reason and logic...
It needed to be some compelling BS phrase so they cooked it up to justify the utterly fake bullshit "War on terror ®" So far it is working because the majority of people have bought the bullshit, but how much longer will they buy it for? There is no doubt at all that people are slowly waking up. Still a long long way to go though. Surely every day many American citizen have a "eureka" moment when they realise circa 150,000 troops over there, many getting killed every day and all for nothing because America is not a single bit safer for this utterly fake BS "War on terror ®"
Meanwhile, last week, terrorists tried to blow your country up again, and once again, you rushed to the forum to defend them. All the while, today, four of your buds were convicted in a bomb plot. Actually, I believe mcfox owes me $50 to the charity of my choice on this conviction. But, alex jones tells ya it's fake, so it's gotta be fake. Wolves in sheeps clothing; aid and comfort wherever possible.
Gtech, the ex-corporal to the rescue of Bush and NSA. He should send his evidence to Bush and NSA since according to Bush and the head of NSA, there was no WMD.
Hiring local mercenaries is tried and failed tactic from Vietnam time. If you are a real soldier and not just a BS poster then it will be wise for you not to turn your back to those local sheiks because they will capture you and sell you to insurgents as it was happening in Vietnam. You can be also very sure that many of those Iraqi forces are working for insurgents and they will sell their weapons to other side as soon as you are not watching. Ask yourself this, why should some one in Iraq fight and die for American's interest while getting peanuts for paycheck?
Looking at the news seems like the house of cards is starting to fall on the false "War on terror ®" and the rats are starting to leave the sinking ship, even FOX Nooobs are starting to panic. Will FOX switch allegiance to being pro Democrat, as I have pointed out many times before FOX owner (Illuminati front man) Rupert Murdoch completely switched allegiance for the horrid best selling UK rag tabloid The Sun back in 1996 from pro Conservative to Pro Labour party when he realised the Conservatives were utterly fucked for the '97 election. It will be interesting to see the outcome of this one. Will be funny to see Bill O siding for the Dems if Murdoch does.
Murdoch has always been a liberal. He was Kerry's single largest contributor in 04. If Fox leans in any direction, it is forward. The only people I've seen "jump ship" are all coming up for re-election. There is a lack of testicles in DC. Election time, balls shrink. That happens on both sides of the isle. I'm just waiting for Rudy to take over so we can go back on the real offensive and start blowing things up, like the Dome on the Rock. The only way to win the war on terror is to kill all the terrorists. It might make DP a little quiter in the process as well...