Jesus praying for Muslims in the Bible!

"And she lusted after her lovers, whose penises were the size of donkeys and who came like horses!" Ezekiel 23:20


Why should God have said this in these gross words? What's the morale behind it?

And can you read this in front of your kids?

Give me a break, please

 

granded, how many times does "The Lord" appear in the Bible?

No, as the verses I quoted from the Quran clearly tell us that they have been edited by people and are not in their original form.

Your missionaries who twisted the Bible into different versions.

Which version are you quoting? This is from the KJV.

9 Pause and wonder!
Blind yourselves and be blind!
They are drunk, but not with wine;
They stagger, but not with intoxicating drink.

10 For the LORD has poured out on you
The spirit of deep sleep,
And has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets;
And He has covered your heads, namely, the seers.

11 The whole vision has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, “Read this, please.”
And he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.”

12 Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, “Read this, please.” And he says, “I am not literate.”

13 Therefore the Lord said:
“ Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
And honor Me with their lips,
But have removed their hearts far from Me,
And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,

14 Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work
Among this people,
A marvelous work and a wonder;
For the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
And the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden.”

15 Woe to those who seek deep to hide their counsel far from the LORD,
And their works are in the dark;
They say, “Who sees us?” and, “Who knows us?”

16 Surely you have things turned around!
Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay;
For shall the thing made say of him who made it,
“ He did not make me”?
Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it,
“ He has no understanding”?

If you ask me, God is talking to those who do not believe in the Quran despite the signs in it. Because there are verses very much like these ones talking about those who deny the Quran.

 

I'm working on it. Please wait. But can you please give me a link of the English translation of Bhavishiya Purana?

 

It's an interesting and on the surface valid point.
I don't know which translation you used but, for example the New World Translation of Jehovah's Witnesses, reads as follows:-

Of course the prophecy of Ezekiel was written at a time when 'pornography' as is so prevalent was unknown and therefore the extreme connotations that it invokes today would not have been such back then.
The whole section of this prophecy is using the picture of a married woman seeking gratuitous sexual satisfaction with men other than her husband. It is telling the story of the extreme spiritually adulterous condition that some in the nation of Israel had descended to and the words used clearly demonstrate God's contempt for their adulterous condition.

Could you read it in front of the kids?
For your own blushes, rather than your childrens, you might chose carefully the translation you use, but children generally don't have the same hang-ups as adults if they have been provided with open and sensitive sex education, gradually answering their questions as they move through childhood.

Of course if you just open the bible at Ezekiel 23 and just read verse 20 in isolation they will probably find it odd, but if you deal with the whole prophecy of Oholah and Oholibah that Ezekiel is here recording - and explain to them the background and why God felt as He did it will likley benefit them and not bring any 'akwardness'.

Another interesting point to ponder - should you wait until someone is old enough to commit adultery before you tell them that God views adultery as wrong - which of course involves telling them what adultery is?
Isn't it far better to sensitively explain about the sexual side of life in a measured and honest way according to their ability to understand?

 

the interesting thing is that no one on here seems to agree with him, no matter how much of a scholar he thinks he is....I personally love how he always challenges the authenticity of the Bible, yet if he can twist it to point to islam then it is a book written by God!

 

Depending upon the bible translation it could say it hundreds of times but "The Lord" is a title, it is not God's name, it was originally put in, to replace God's name Jehovah, by men who thought that it was wrong to use God's name.

Different versions do not 'twist' the bible they help people to understand it.
Try reading some of the KJV, for example Genesis 25:30:- "And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom."
We don't speak like that today!
Do you think many people would understand that today Ahmad?
Do you know what pottage is?
A modern translation puts it:- "He said to Jacob, Quick, let me have some of that red stew! I'm famished! (That is why he was also called Edom.)"

Doesn't that make it understandable?
Doesn't it make sense to enable people to understand the Word of God, or is it your view that they should just recite it and not know what it means?

I'm more than happy to use the KJV, it doesn't change anything I have said.
The above verses have nothing to say about the Quran or Muhammed, (neither of which would come onto the scene for hundreds of years and Isaiah was speaking to the people of his day).

It is talking about the spiritually degenerate state of many in Israel when even the leaders were unable to discern the importance of the visions given to Isaiah. They were likened to men who were either able to read or not but who would be unable to read and understand the vision.

Chapter 33 of Isaiah onwards tells of the restoration of Israel from it state of spiritual blindness and its exile, that is what God was saying when He spoke of " I will again do a marvelous work Among this people, A marvelous work and a wonder"


Read the context, know the history and the prophetic significance Ahmad, then you will not be misled by this desire you have to make great leaps from words taken in isolation!

 

I never said that the Bible isn't from God. But I want you to realize that God would not let His final revelation (as you believe) to end up like this into so many different versions.

Anyway, I just want a comment from you on this photograph. Just to know your state of mind.

 

Actually, the Bible does talk about islam:

An incredibly accurate prophecy, given the very violent nature of islam.

 

Oh now you need Bhavishya Purana. These puranas or holy scripture talks about future prophecies. (Bhavishya == future, in sanskrit).

Fortunately , I have studied that scripture, and know the exact portion and verses you are looking for. zakir naik talks about on various websites, I cant believe he twisted the verses so much, for serving his purpose.


Bhavishya Purana: Pratisarga Parva, Chaturyuga Khanda Dvitiyadhyayah, 19th Chapter, Texts 17 to 32


ekadaa tu shakadhisho
himatungari samaayayau
hunadeshasya madhye vai
giristhan purusam shubhano
dadarsha balaram raajaa

ko bharam iti tam praaha
su hovacha mudanvitah
iishaa putragm mama viddhi
kumaari garbha sambhavam

Which translated into english means,

A time will come when the subduer of the Saka race will visit the Mansarovar lake in the Himalayan mountains, in the middle of Huna country (modern day Tibet).

The subduer of Sakas, this powerful king will meet a person with golden complexion, flowing hair and pristine white robes.

The king will ask, "Who are you , Sir?"

And the holy man will reply, "I am Isha, the son of god, and I was born of a virgin"

Iisha = Jesus
putragm = son of
mama = I / me / mine / my
viddhi = God
Kumari = virgin
garbha = Womb
sambhavam = possible existence or in this case birth

Want some more proof that shows the puranas talk about Jesus and not mohammad. Here it is.


iishaamasii ca dasyuunaa
praadurbhuutaa bhayankarii
taamaham mlecchataah praapya
masiihatva mupaagatah

I can translate them if you want, but I donot want to do it, since it will look bad on our arab friends. There are more if you want.

Also I did absolute literal translation, word to word.

By the way, this scripture and verses talk in future tense, because they were written long before the meeting and incident happened between the Hindu king and Jesus.

 

There's only two stand one make about the Bible.One to accept that the Bible contains the truth and the other totally dismisses it.Now Mr Malik to quote a part from the Bible and interpret it as a sign to show that it refers to Muhammad you must surely accept the fact that the Bible is reliable.Herein lies the problem in which you played a part in planning your own demise.The fact that the Bible mentioned the Jew line in which Isaac played the bigger role as oppose to Ishmael in the Quran and not to mention the many parts that the Bible actually contradicts the Islamic teachings....to accept the Bible means to reject the Quran.Its simple as that.Of course Mr Malik I'm sure you're just plain confused with your own beliefs but you cannot take a piece of the Bible to your gain and disregard everything else.So i guess its time to admit that you actually made the error there.May I suggest that you make sure you truly understand what was written in the Quran more before comparing it with the Bible.Please accept my humble apology if I may have stumbled you.

 

The bible came even before the quaran was out

 

you are right that is what the words means. the guy who started the thread is out of context. If you dont know the bible please stop starting threads like this.

 

you want a comment on a picture? ok....try this...take a picture of yourself in the mirror, what do you see? How about the flash reflection....thats exactly what this looks like. It is easy to see the flash reflection, as well as the reflection of the person who took the picture. Other than that, it is just black. But I am sure you will tell me it is a picture that God sent proving the Jesus was a muslim.

 

It does not make sense on what you say. If I am taking a picture of myself using a mirror I will switch of the flash, only a dumb guy uses a flash

 

Unless , of course, it's dark. And perhaps it's a simple camera that automaticly uses the flash when it's dark, and cannot be over-ridden.
Or perhaps you've answered your own question ?

Meow Purr.

 

well if it is dark i wont take the picture at all just wait till there is light

 

And the Lord said "let there be light".

And LO.. the wretched flash went off

Meow Purr.

 

whether you have a cheap camera or an expensive one, you can (or the flash will automatically) make it go off...and people do this for fun...just google it and you can find a few...

 

Great, now he will know your 'state of mind' that he was searching for. He will see that you try to figure things out on your own without anyone telling you what to think....

 

God is not bound by names.

Okay. This is understandable.
But what about this?

That's your interpretation. But these verses exactly describe the first revelation upon the Prophet pbuh.

But these verses from Isaiah 21 100% describe the Battle of Badr.

13 The burden against Arabia.
In the forest in Arabia you will lodge,
O you traveling companies of Dedanites.

14 O inhabitants of the land of Tema,
Bring water(1) to him who is thirsty;
With their bread they met him who fled.

15 For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword,
From the bent bow, and from the distress of war. (2)

16 For thus the LORD has said to me: “Within a year (3), according to the year of a hired man (4), all the glory of Kedar will fail (5);

17 and the remainder of the number of archers, the mighty men of the people of Kedar, will be diminished (6); for the LORD God of Israel has spoken it.”

1. Badr were wells where the battle took place and the Muslims drank water.
2. The Muslims had migrated to Madinah because of the atrocities of the pagans of Mecca.
3. The battle took place in the second year of migration ie ONE YEAR later.
4. This refers to the Al-Hijra years calender. Prophet Muhammad pbuh started new years in migration.
5. Great leaders of Mecca were killed in this battle.
6. 313 ill-armed Muslims defeated 1000 pagans from Mecca.