Whoever wants a thanks for Hamas, first say that they(Hamas) are shitheads to AIR the Plagiarized Disney Character's death by an Israeli, to brainwash kids. And Condemn Hamas for using Kids and women for cover.
I am not in any way suggesting that either Israel or the Palestinians are correct. What I am trying to show you (lorien and others) is that it is NOT one sided. You seem to believe the Israelis are innocent in all this - that is simply not the case. Again, I reiterate, I do not condone the actions of anyone killing another human being BUT the fact is Israel is as guilty as Hamas etc.. And no, I am not anti or pro Jewish. I have Jewish friends and Muslim friends and both sides accept that the events in the Middle East are caused by problems on BOTH sides. You seem to like to blame the Palestinians only....but that is what I come to expect from someone as ignorant as yourself.
Think what you want, but i see the picture very clearly. Palestinians are killing us Israelis because of <input hateful reasons towards Israel and Jews here>, and we are simply stupid fuckers who keep on letting this shit happen, time after time. You are correct about one thing, it is our fault as well, as we never took the proper action against those terrorists.
Coming from an Israeli I can understand your anger but you need to consider the other side. The state of Israel was only setup 60 years ago. Palestinians lost land etc... Wouldn't you be annoyed in their situation? And dont try and pull, we are the innocent card. Israel is as guilty as anyone else in this conflict.
why are you posting this again? I've already told you this isn't even accurate. Did you fail to read the post (as I predicted) or did you just feel like repeating the same, tired mantra again? Got an example of israel putting men/women onto buses and into markets so they can blow themselves up and kill innocent people? Clearly; someone is ignorant in this thread. But it's not who you think.
This is from Amnesty International: Do you want me to pull some more for you? Oh, I forgot, Israel was promised by God......
Lorien, why bother. He's a fool. EDIT: and another thing. I personally don't care who gave us this demonized land. I'd be more than happy to move Israel to some different place, away from these animals. But the problem does not end here. I think if this will happen, the palestinians will find some other excuses as to why the Jews are monsters and pigs, who try to take over the world and kill innocent people. It's pure hate towards people who were born as such, it is pure racism. I do not hate palestinians, i'm just angry that there are such pricks still living and breathing the air that is given to them.
so I assume you are giving up on the "israel stole land" claims you've been making? This is defined further down the page. But I'm sure you missed this: It refers to this incident: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/3650791.stm Where the kid was detained after throwing rocks at an israeli vehicle. He was put there to stop his friends from continuing to throw rocks at the truck. Horrifying. Again, I'll spell the out the differences in your complaint. Israel's high court was looking into this incident. Is this roughly equivalent to hamas/fatah soldiers hiding behind groups of civilians while firing on Israel soldiers? And then you continue to blame deaths of the civilians on Israel? Isn't hamas/fatah more directly responsible for these actions? Please do. You are making some very excellent points here!
(please note - the above are selective partial quotes.... ) DevilHellz, stop with the equivocation and 'sitting on the fence'.... Don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY think Sorry... couldn't resist. As for the original topic of Hamas and the 'liberated' BBC journalist... weeeell... lets see what happens over the next couple of months. For the first time, Hamas actually has it's own TERRITORY, with 'citizens' to protect. Will they reach out to the international community (including Israel) and seek to strengthen their economic infrastructure ? Will they build desalination and sewerage treatment plants, power stations, a stock exchange, schools that deliver recognised international qualifications ? How about building a tourists paradise on their 25-mile long Mediteranean beach ? In short, will they help their "palistinian' poplulation to thrive in safety and increasing prosperity ? Will they seek to fulfill the aspirations and potential of their children ? Will Devil-Hellz and Lorien1973 PLEASE stop rolling on the floor and screaming with laughter ? It's making me lose my place.... Meow Purr
I think there won't be anything solved around here. The only solution i can come up with is not to reason with palestinians any longer, rather act by FORCE. This is something that we never do, because some of our leaders are filthy, greedy rat pussies. And when i mean force, i mean full force. Let there be an end to this nonsense.
I hear Hamas is going to build a perpetual motion machine first. Please don't waste their time on pedantic goals such as you have listed. Geesh.
Sheeesh.... I just posted that to lighten the tone. I'm unsure as to wether you two actually took it in the spirit it was meant. Just because something is serious doesn't mean we shouldn't satarise it. Actually... ESPECIALY because something is serious. Nevertheless, I stand by my Irony. Lets see what Hamas ACTUALLY do. They may amaze us yet Meow Purr. Meow Purr.
I understood what you meant, totally. I am hoping for that perpetual motion machine. You want a vacation spot. I want the first law of motion to be broken. I think Hamas can deliver
Well, if I want to sink into this mire of despondency and cynicism, I could argue that Hamas already HAS a perpetual motion machine. Dad picks up AK47 and shoots at random Isreali's Dad gets shot. At funeral, Imam preaches about rightousness of killing Jews, 72 virgins etc etc etc Recently married Son hands baby to wife, and picks up Dad's AK47 Loop I'm just glad I'm not that cynical. I'll await the construction of the first HAMAS/UN/Isreali combined-project desalination plant. But then, what do I know ? I'm just a badly-drawn cat ! Meow Purr.
(partial quotation) If you two bozo's are going to start advocating 'final solutions' in this forum, then I shall dial 'M' for moderator, and ye shall know the meaning of force. Bugger ... I didn't just threaten two long-standing members did I ? And me just a grunt... and with very low Page Rank on my websites to boot... eeeek... Meow Purr
Not talking about final solutions at all. It is one way to exterminate all the population of a certain group, and it is another to try and eliminate all (i repeat, ALL) sources of terrorism. And that would be by FORCE only, probably. I am against erasing a whole population of innocent people, if that's what you are thinking.
Hrmph.. I'm getting a little over my orange, badly-drawn head here, but surely if you adopt THAT attitude against a terrorist base that merges with the general population (Gaza etc), then you utlimately make the choice to kill EVERYONE and do a 'scorched earth'. Sounds like a final solution to me ! Pehraps my previous threat to summon the Guild of Moderators was a bit hasty, however bring bring.... bring bring sorry... can I just get the phone ? Oh hello Mr Barak... yes.. aha... Oh good. I CAN hire an Arrow-3 battery from you... excellent.. I might need it shortly, I suspect I'm going to get 'incoming'... errr... do you take American Express... you DO ? ... can you deliver to Nottingham... jolly good... Next Day by DHL courriers ? Eeeexcellent... don't forget to include the instruction book Phew... right.. where were we ? Oh yes.. .. Right bignose, less of the 'final solution' stuff Meow Purr.
This is another problem which we have to face against the pussies. They are hiding in places with innocent people, as protection - and we can hardly fight them because of that. In our recent war in Lebanon, we've even warned the innocent citizens to go to their basements and take cover to not get injured. But if we continue this way, there will never be a solution. Unfortunately, innocent people die in wars, like it or not. And with their pussy methods - it only makes the whole thing harder. But nonetheless, please don't compare what i say to the final solution, as it is way off.