Dodging the actual issue again, are we? Come on, at least try, or do you want to continue giving Hamas a pass for executing people, thrown people off buildings, and through military force took over the area. And do you want to also be gullible and suck up their propoganda too?
Why are you thanking Hamas for free the person that they kidnapped. I would give them prase if they dont kidnap, kill, or send their kids as suicide bombers. If they refrain from that then you can thank them and claim that they are a civil group, but as long as they kill innocent kids and kidnap sodiers and jurnalists then they are terrorist and dont deserve to be thanked. well put dont destroy and then fix the problem and expect to be thanked.
seoworld - Hamas did not kidnap him! Are the mainstream media telling you this? I advise you read this post - http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=3668700&postcount=29 Lorien - How can I respond to someone who does not even know the simple facts of what is going on? You are making remarks about a topic you clearly no nothing about
So, again you are denying that Hamas committed terrorist acts as listed here? And deny that they executed political opposition during their recent takeover, threw people from buildings, etc. Or don't you care? Which is it, really? You've been avoiding the same simple set of questions for 5 pages now. And still spouting off that someone doesn't know what's going on there. I agree; but its not who you think it is, as usual.
I fully stand behind lorien's comments. I live in this shit hole called Israel for quite some time now, and i see first hand what is the real face of Hamas and Fatah and all other scumbag organizations out there. Matter of the fact is, Hamas was elected as stated before - and it only shows the true, nasty face of the majority of palestinians out there. And please cut the crap with the "main stream media is brainwashing you", it is you who is being brainwashed as far as i can see here.
Please explain the difference between Israelis killing Palestinian children and women and Palestinians killing Israelis. Why is one a terrorist act and the other not? Let's not forget that 60 years ago Israel did not exist. So wasn't that terrorism or is it ok to take over a country and decide that it is yours?
I've explained the situation to you already. You failed to either read it or understand it last time. Will you try again? Palestinians kill israelis on buses in markets, wherever they can get them. This is Hamas, Fatah and other random groups doing it. When Israel retaliaties to try and kill the people doing it, yep, innocent people do get hit. Why do you blame israel for those deaths? Aren't the people causing the violence the actual perpetraters here? Or do you believe israel should not defend itself? Israel didn't take over anything. Jews have been living in the area for thousands of years. They made the area livable during the late 1800's. I could go into the long history for you; but you don't care. So here is the synopsis. The area you probably want to think of as "palestine" (this area also included Jordan, BTW, is Jordan stolen land too?) was never a country and never had a palestinian leadership. For thousands of years, it changed hands. From the Romans, to the Ottomans, to the British. There was no "country" no take. Palestinian Jews made much of area habitable during the late 1800's and many Arabs moved into the area because the Jewish people made it habitable, removing the swamps; cultivating the land etc. They took land from no-one, get me? They made the land what it is. Britain, during the 30's actually divided up the palestinian jews and the arabs into two different areas, taking away much of their land. Then in 1948, Israel made themselves a country, because they needed a way to keep what was theirs. This is the synopsis. This isn't about "stolen land" or Hamas/Fatah/etal would be blowing up Jordan and other countries as well, wouldn't they? It's about Jews. I'm close to invoking the troll hammer here, so please try to understand the basic concepts I've explained to you. K?
For fuck's sake man, we were given this hell hole by majority of votes, as a home to the Jewish people. How is that even near taking over a coutnry and deciding what is ours ? From the begging we had problems with arabs from all directions. Egypt from the south, Lebanon and Syria from the north. We never wanted to pick up on a war, that's not how we deal with things, but time after time we have been attacked by these countries. So we did what had to be done for the safety of people living in this country, we defended it. We gave up on land that was given to us back then, we gave up on land in recent days even, and STILL there is no satisfaction from Palestinians. Peace is the only thing they do NOT want. And the difference between Israelis killing Palestinians and vise versa is very simple. We never go out there and for the fun of it kill innocent children and women. It is not our fault and problem that the Palestinians send out children and women to the front line, to throw rocks at shoot at our soldiers. It is their mere fault, it is a disgrace. They on the other hand, don't give a rat's ass if they kill women, children or elders in the process. It is a terrorist's goal to hit as many innocent people as he can - to make a 'message' and create shock. But i guess to you my opinion is biased as well, since i live in Israel, right ?
arafat pretty much showed that didn't he? he was given like 90% of what he wanted back in the 90's and still said no. He preferred more killing instead. It's not about peace, its not about land. IT's about infidel jews on "their" land. Its about as simple as that, really.
Simply put Palestinian groups like hamas want to kill Jews just for being Jews (plain hatred) & their targets are innocents, Israelis on the other hand target the terrorists that did the above acts & kill them, Palestinian innocents get hurt in the process. Which one do you agree with the first or latter?
I can't remember when the last suicide bombing by Israelis was carried out or even the first on Palestinians, can you help?
Oh sure, let's play your foolish game shall we; And my personal favorite: Let's start a quote war to see who can have more stupid hate quotes than the other - and then we determine the situation by that! It is as black and white as it gets.
Apparently not for you This quote was supposedly said in a cabinet meeting and doesn't appear to have any other support. Though you do find it often repeated on sites worrying about "zionists" - I assume you read those types of sites quite often, correct? He is/was a rabbi who is fond of making controversial statements. But, see, again you are comparing a set of words to people who blow up buses with children, markets, etc. Is this really a comparison you wish to continue making?