Some invisible and supernatural creatures are real, that's a fact you can't deny.

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  1. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #61
    This is actually fascinating, I never knew all of this. You had mentioned the word "shaitan" so I looked it up in wikipedia to find the meaning. It said:
    In Islam, Allah created everything in pairs. The pair for a human is a jinn, two beings of higher intelligence created with free will. In between the pair of jinn and human there could be lots of other creation with higher intelligence like jinn and human. Qu'ran tells that the jinn race was created long, long before the human race. And, for long time humans were nothing, not even mentioned.

    One thing I do not understand is that if allah knows fully well that he will destroy all jinns on judgement day, why is he creating new jinns with every person born? (or am I not understanding something). Then it goes on to say...

    Iblis was of jinn race and was supposedly a devoted servant of Allah. He attained a very high status and was brought close with the Angels. But Allah knew Iblis well and the intentions of Iblis and therefore the Shayān was named Iblis (meaning "desperate"). The angels do not have free will and do not sin, because they do not know how to sin. When Allah created human, Allah commanded all the angels to prostrate (sujood) to Adam. All angels did so, except Iblis, who refused Allah's direct command.

    Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis was created from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, Allah cursed the Shayān to the Lake of Fire for eternity, but gave the Shayān the respite until the Day of Judgment at his request. Iblis obtained permission from Allah and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to be devoured in the Lake of Fire. Allah grants the request but warns the Shayān that it would have no authority over Allah's sincere abd, devoted servants.


    So iblis was a jinn and is satan. It also goes on to say he was the one that tempted adam and eve. This is quite an interesting story!

     
    Rebecca, Jul 6, 2007 IP
  2. Tikoutikou

    Tikoutikou Well-Known Member

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    #62
    If dog is not allowed then why Allah created them?Allah should have not made any black dog
     
    Tikoutikou, Jul 6, 2007 IP
  3. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #63
    Maybe he is creating evil for the pleasure of destroying it?
     
    Rebecca, Jul 6, 2007 IP
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    #64
    Naturally just look at the jews.
     
    Toopac, Jul 7, 2007 IP
  5. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #65
    here in the UK
     
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  6. Tikoutikou

    Tikoutikou Well-Known Member

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    #66
    I did not know that Islam consisted of these things.
    Now I am afraid of this religion.It seems pagan for me...
     
    Tikoutikou, Jul 8, 2007 IP
  7. Ahmad_Malik

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    #67
    How about this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aE6XLqNrI&mode=related&search=

    This happened in March on Prophet Muhammad's pbuh Birthday in my city ie Lahore, Pakistan. A scholar was telling how to pronounce Muhammad and it appeared in the sky right beside the Moon with clouds.

    There is nothing spooky about it, is it? :)
     
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    #68
    youtube is such a CREDIBLE source!!! Video is so easily altered these days that you need to come up with more than that Ahmad.
     
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  9. Ahmad_Malik

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    #69
    That's not the problem d16man, the problem is that God guides only those who search for the truth. This is just one of them. God says in the Quran:

    "We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

    Here is me holding the original picture taken that night. But then again, I don't expect you to believe me. :)
     

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  10. alaska88

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    #70

    i would say that Allah created all temptations for us to see if we are going to sin. It's like a challenge. If you pass the exam you to to paradise.So during all your life you will find challenges in your path and you have to resist them to show Allah you are obedient to him. Allah created dogs and all sorts of animals.
    Woudl youfor example keep a lion in your house?
    It's well known that dogs spend theitrtime licking their private parts then they come to you and lick your face, how clean is that? when youenter a house you know when the owner has a dog becaus eyou can smell it. The owners becaus ethey are used to it cannot smell it but it really stinks and it's worse when it rains.
     
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  11. kafer

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    #71
    Muslims, Christians and Jews, all believe in the coexistence of these invisible beings and in their interference with our lives. But the Muslims as always go too far in their assertion of the practical existence of the spirits.

    This confirms my signature about religion to be very much applicable even today.

    "The world holds two classes of men—intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence.”

     
    kafer, Jul 9, 2007 IP
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    #72
    There are supernatural creatures and are under research in the branch of metaphysics. I think they do exist but in some dimension which is above the basic 5 senses of human beings. I also believe the soul of a man is of the same form as that of the composition of angels which is indivisble and can not be seen as the other creatures you are describing.
    THESE CREATURES DO EXIST
     
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  13. ezguy

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    #73
    you said

    They participate in wars along with the good Muslims and fight in their thousands in organised armies.


    well I never saw a organised muslim army, they fight like cowards, killing themselves using suicide tactics. If your angels were with you why do they loose all the time. Most of the time I see muslims fighting like women. They attack from the back. If they are men they should fight face to face.

    Angels never support cowards.


     
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  14. Tikoutikou

    Tikoutikou Well-Known Member

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    #74
    I have no problem with the existence of supernatural forces because I do believe in God but I find it stupid for an angel not to come because there is a dog...
     
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    #75

    well you need to ask yourself if angels are scared of the devil? if yes may be that's why they stay away from black dogs.
     
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    #76
    Can you call someone who kills himself a coward?
    I am pretty sure that most men in the army are scared of dying, but thesemen are not, so you cannot call them coward when they sacrifice themselves.
     
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    #77
    why dont they fight face to face just like gandhi :)
     
    ezguy, Jul 10, 2007 IP
  18. alaska88

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    #78
    In a war you have to kill the ennemy, so does it matter how you kill your ennemies?
     
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  19. Tikoutikou

    Tikoutikou Well-Known Member

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    #79
    You are telling me that angels are afraid of the devil?:confused:
     
    Tikoutikou, Jul 10, 2007 IP
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    #80
    The pics in their wanker magazines. You know, the kind where girls don't wear their veils correctly ;)
     
    Blogmaster, Jul 10, 2007 IP