How do you feel when a member doesnot pay you for your service?

Hi DP members,

How do you guys feel when a guy doesnot pay your for the service you have done to him and do you think its right to punish him for what he has done and do u think negative I-trader is enough as a punishment.I personally feel that if someone doesnot pay you for taking your service,only negative itraders is not the punishment...there should be something more....since internet marketing mainly runs in trust basis and if they break the rule they are no at all elgible for internet business......So guys your opinion please

 

If I dealt with a DP member who cheated me out of money, I'd certainly make his name known on DP as a crook...plain and simple.

Jim

 

I had this problem and DP don't do anything about this. The guy gave me negative itrader (have a look) and DP arent even slightly interested in removing it.

I estimate this has cost me about $400-$600 of business so far - I didnt even participate in the thread he left itrader for. He is now banned though but the itrader has effected my ability to sell on here..... I have reported it about 15 times and DP arent even remotely interested, they havent even replied to explain why.

Its not fair!! I say flog the idiots (not DP, I mean the nonpayers)

Seriously though, I agree, business is done on trust and if that is broken, the person shouldnt be eligible for business.

 

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GOOD I AM HAPPY YOU GOT cheated OUT! FUCK YOU!

YOUR A CROOK!

 

I didn't get cheated, I said IF I got cheated. (I don't do business in DP.) Sounds like you got cheated by someone though.

Another one of your posts I just reported to the Mods. Not sure why you keep harassing me in posts and PM's.

Jim

 

I've got a pretty common poster here on DP that I agreed to do some regular coding services. I integrated a contactus form along with creating an admin panel backend to it (instead of just sending an email). So although it wasn't a big project there, i would at least like to be compensated for the work I had put in. Unfortunately I got shafted. I have no left negative feedback or done anything really, I think i'm going to PM him again to see what the deal is.

 

Geting cheated is bad never happened to me so hopfully i can tay safe

 

I wish,I fuck him then kill him

 

I haven't done any work through DP yet (looking to, though) but I would always, like I do with my other projects, put together a proper contract, with terms and conditions and outline everything that is to take place within the contract - including expected completion date and cost. This would be as well as just agreeing through PM or on the thread. (I'm not 100% certain but I'm sure an agreement like this through PMs or on a message board or even via email can be legally binding)

At the end of the day the customer can always still turn around and say "screw you, you're not getting any money" but then you'd at least have something which outlines exactly what you agreed on to begin with and you have a much stronger footing on which to argue your case.

Still sucks though. Some people are just underhanded.

 

^^^ this looks good on paper mate, but if you are doing work for a few hundred dollars, what are you going to do with your evidence..... itd cost you more to pursue it legally. Also it is easy for anyone to post up a 'spoof' PM conversation with edited bits.

I have learnt never to give any sites/work over without being paid first by paypal. That puts all the trust onto me and I know Im not going to screw anyone over

There ought to be a sticky thread that we can post in who the idiots are and include as much personal details as possible. Atleast itl make us feel better!!

 

I totally agree with you here. There will still be the occasional b****ds who just want to screw you over! But I think a contract, between two honest parties, also helps make things feel more official and gets things off to a better start. It might also put the dishonest ones off if you say "Right, lets make this official, I'll draw up a document" - Thieves don't like documents!

 

It is also such a shame that DP couldn't care less that people are being ripped off on their forum!!!

DP ought to set up a feature allowing trusted admins/moderaters to oversee a transaction - the designer gives the work to them, and they forward it when the buyer has paid.

Im sure they wouldnt mind charging for this as they only seem to care about the adsense revenue they make and not the 'real people' that make it for them whilst they are being ripped off. Not only did I get screwed, but DP has allowed a comment to remain that has affected my ability to make future money....... I'm sure there must be legal grounds somewhere. Unfortunately it happened early in my DP 'career' so it looks like I am dishonest! as it is one of my first itraders

ridiculous!!!

 

I agree with you on the point about the negative feedback. There should be some way to refute that, since it is very very important to an honest coder and one dishonest buyer can ruin it.

I don't think they really could act as intermediaries though, to oversee all the transactions and projects etc. - at least not without massive overhauls and more staffing.

I used Rentacoder.com for a while, which ran under these principles. For 15% of the project price, they would oversee everything, step in if there was a problem, award funds to the rightful party in the event of a disagreement. They also kept all the money in escrow from the buyer while the project was in motion. Rentacoder also acted as the payees for all projects.

The only downside was that I never actually got decent rates for the work I was doing!

 

You really have to be careful with who you do business online.. No one scammed me yet!

~ Razvan

 

It has never happened. We take a sizable deposit which removes most the time wasters etc and never hand over our work until we have received final payment. As we only do dynamic website this is a lot easier as people cannot harvest our work in any way.

Our bigger problem is with people who pay and then dont actually get us to do the work for weeks or even months which makes it very difficult to work out capacity etc. We received a $4000 deposit from a design agency to add dynamic elements to one of their designs in January. Since then we have received 3 other deposits of similar sizes but havent been able to start a single one of the projects as we are still awaiting their templates to add the systems to.

 

Every other business in the world people are trying to get their name out,a nd put it on everything they do.
On forums, everyone wants to remain anonymous.
I have tried to act like a real person with people and they just won't do it.
I offer up my contact info...they respond with a first name.
I offer up a phone number for those in the states...they don't wan to talk.

No other business operates like this. If you go to a show, or conference you have more business cards at the end than you know what to do with, but a domain transaction for $40 and you can't even get a real name....and then people cry foul when they get taken.

Well there you go! If everyone is going to play "007" as if this forum was full of web gurus and millionaires, then expect to get burned.

Business is done with the same etiquette everywhere. there is nothing so special about anyone with a few websites, that they have to hide in the shadows.

 

I've been scammed as a buyer of a service - one of my first transactions here and £50 ($100) down. I am pursuing various things now under English law (they are in the UK too), but it is a real pain. I just can't get over that people treat other people like this, and feel its fine to pocket the money/ get free work done for them.
I do feel a little aggrieved with DP - the forum member in question just ignored my pms/phone calls/emails and posts in the original thread, so I posted in a new thread he started offering work (asking him to reply to me) and I had my post removed and recieved an infraction! I really feel for anyone who loses time or money to someone being dishonest and not keeping up their agreement...all I can say is it can happen so try and be prepared for it.
JB

 

I chuckled all the way through your post. Very true! Then, people wonder why they get ripped off.

Jim

 

Just inform him/her that is not correct.