Some invisible and supernatural creatures are real, that's a fact you can't deny.

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  1. Ahmad_Malik

    Ahmad_Malik Peon

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    #41
    Nope. Satan was a servant of God who disobeyed when God asked him to prostrate before Adam. Then God threw him out of His Kingdom. Then Satan sweared by God's name to make His humans go astray and later caused the Original Sin. Is this mentioned in the Bible by the way like this?

    On the Day of Judgment, Satan wil be executed.
     
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  2. alaska88

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    #42

    yes about black dogs that what i was told.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #43
    So because some poor animal happened to have black color hairu arent allowed to own him. I had a little french poodle for many years and he was like a best friend to me. In fact i spoiled him rotten lol. Dogs are capable of incredible love and caring and if brought up right would never turn on their owner.Every religious book was made to be questioned in the beginning. This is how u would know if you truely believed in your faith or not. If you never questioned ur faith in your life then how will u grow spiritually.

    Consider the meaning of the word isreal. It means to wrestle with god
     
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  4. alaska88

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    #44

    blac or white you cannot have a dog as a pet, but you can have a guard or guide dog, but not black one.
     
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  5. kafer

    kafer Peon

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    #45

    That’s right. I must congratulate you, you’re starting to have a good understanding of the Islamic faith. It’s not easy to comprehend the rational and logic behind faith.

    It’s a parallel universe, and that definition of the Jinns is very clear. Also they have more knowledge than us because, some of them are able to eavesdrop god’s plans being discussed with the angels in the heavens. That’s why sometimes we see shooting stars and meteors, they are really missiles thrown at the caught up Jinns.

    They’ve been with us since the beginning of creation. Human can summon them and in fact many books have been written on how to do it. However it’s forbidden for Muslims to do that, summoning the devil or the Jinn is absolutely not allowed in Islam. There are also told stories of intermarriages with Jinns.


    I think you got the point I’m trying to make, right Rebecca?


    Missiles thrown at the eavesdropping Jinns/satan. Quotes from the holy Quran:

    (Shakir)
     
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    #46
    "Some invisible and supernatural creatures are real, that's a fact you can't deny. ", to quote the title of this thread.

    We where then 'treated' to an article based on the beliefs of a 6th-century warlord. OK, here's a thought for you.

    "It isn't a fact, and I CAN deny it."

    There are no Jins except in your mind. Dogs and Cats can be trained. Whatever health problems they may have posed in the 6th century have sinced been obliviated (in the West) by what we call 'science', which in turn developed when people got off their knees and started thinking for themselves.

    Hold to your beliefs and superstitions by all means, and share them with us if you like. But please do NOT present them as 'facts', it just makes us giggle :)

    Meow Purr.
     
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  7. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #47
    That one is a funny clip with talking dogs
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1jnyz_funnytalking-dogs
     
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  8. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #48
    I dont know about others, but I, for one, would prefer my Dog over any stupid imaginary angel..

    Thank god I am not forced to follow such rules..
     
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  9. NoobieDoobieDo

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    #49

    Because there is no proof of their existence.

    Study logic.
     
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  10. kafer

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    #50
    But do you have a proof of their non existence?:D

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  11. Toopac

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    #51
    Here, here.

    I will always own a dog:D
     
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  12. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #52
    this begs the question: do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
    hmmm
    maybe santa too? thats pushing it a bit huh?
     
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    Freelance GD Well-Known Member

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    #53
    As Muslim, I would like to clear something.

    "Dogs are not forbidden if they are kept for safety and security purposes . The reason of this is that they are usually not clean and can go in your kitchen and lick your utensils"

    Another point here is about blaming satan;

    I would like to say here that Muslim who don't have strong faith usually say this kind of things. If they are mis leaded by satan that's their mistake because they don't have firm faith. It's like death causes, people don't say that the person has to die they give it many reasons, diseases, accidents, etc. It's simply because "it was written".
     
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  14. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #54

    i think you should put your utensils back in your pants.
    entertainment purposes? i aint seen a dog put on a show for me yet, but most people keep one as a companion and to guard the home.
    i have a hearing dog, he is both a working dog, companion and a guard dog.

    so explain why Muslim taxi drivers refuse to take me and Max?
     
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  15. Toopac

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    #55
    Do what i did, i used to use a local taxi cab firm that was owned by pakistanis & obviously most if not all were muslims, i put money in their pockets almost everyday however once the taxi firm refused to take my dog to the vet i never used them again, i now use a firm that for some reason has only black & white drivers:D

    All other taxi firms take dogs except this one, go figure:rolleyes:
     
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  16. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #56
    sad thing is i do, and i am running out of taxi firms. so now i have to drive more myself, and i dont like it because i cant hear much
     
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  17. Toopac

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    #57
    In your case you must be able to report this firm (somewhere) as they are discriminating against you.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #58

    How can anyone think something is fact just because a lot of people believe in it. That has no logic.

    As people have said, throughout history a lot of people have thought many things to be true, that later we learn were not. The earth being flat is just the most obvious example.

    Your whole conclusion is based on faulty logic.

    If enough people believe in UFOs are they then real? If enough kids believe in Santa Claus does that make him real? You test for determining reality is what I would expect of a child who didn't know better.
     
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  19. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #59
    i did twice but then i was called a racist :rolleyes: by the bitch in the counsel office, who was not of my colour as it happens. but then i complained to her boss and she had to go on a people skills course. by that time i forgot about the complaint of the taxi companies
     
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  20. Toopac

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    #60
    I suggest you complain again.

    Did this happen in the UK or Denmark?
     
    Toopac, Jul 6, 2007 IP