Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by birdsfly, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. eXe

    eXe Notable Member

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    #81
    Pussy, woosy and old fart are all name calling. And you must take into account that he didn't call him a child, but said he had a scientific understanding comparable to a child. I wouldn't have a problem with similar analogies comparing me to women or gay people.
     
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    #82
    Whatever you want to call it. It's a cheap shot in any man's language. No advantage or good reason for doing so. Nothing gained.

    Col :)
     
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    #83
    I disagree, it was an accurate description of the member "grandad's" scientific understanding based on the posts he made.

     
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    #84
    Well, that's your opinion. I think your opinion is inaccurate of him.

    You will find he is a lot more learned than you think. Go test him out and see for for yourself.

    Col :)
     
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    #85
    Of course it's my opinion :) If he is more learned than I think, he would do well to make better posts.

     
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    #86
    Brother, I live in miracles. Everyday life!
    But I don't like to discuss them because I fear God might dislike it.
     
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    #87
    Here's a definition of 'theory':-
    So its 'comprehensive' has 'gained general acceptance' BUT 'has not yet been proven'.
    So come back and criticise those who believe in God and the bible when the 'theories' have been decisively proven, but don't hold your breath ... I won't be holding mine because they will never be proven.

    It is no more ridiculous to believe in a Creator than to believe in those 'unproven theories'.
     
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    #88
    The floor is all yours ... we are all waiting ... prove evolution!
    Remember it's the 'theory of evolution' but you clearly know better, so here I am childlike waiting on your every word.
    Where all others before you, even the brightest of scientific minds, have failed to progress evolution from the status of 'theory', we are all waiting for your new understanding to be revealed not only to us but to the entire scientific community.
     
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    #89
    what can I say to the ppl who says God is power and the greatest, etc. ?

    It is to you, with the same success I can say the same things to the : Sun, Moon, Jupiter, Mars and the list goes on.....

    And actually there are some ancient "stories" about God Jupiter and so on, so why not pray to the Jupiter instead?? :)

    Another +1 point, that it's all bsh*t.

    Do you know why religious ppl try to tell you that you are wrong? Because, otherwise it wouldnt get so huge for them (the number of believers)
     
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    #90
    I am Christian, but theres some stuff i think sometimes. Religion is a way to make sure when you die, you are not scared. To make you feel like theres another life after you die, etc. My opinion.
     
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    #91
    Thats the basis to modern day religion. Religion gives believers the thought that maybe you don't just die and get put into the ground to rot.
     
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    #92
    As pretty as that sentiment is it really only applies to the big three judeo-christian-islam crowd. There are plenty of religious beliefs that don't say much about an afterlife at all. I would even argue that Judaism did not originally have an afterlife- from ashes we rise and to ashes we shall return. Not exactly a bible quote but I am too lazy to look the one up its based on.

    About evolution, some of the reasons it is still a theory, we have not seen the rise of an entirely new species from an existing one since we have been studying it, when/if we do we can say that yes, species evolve from each other. While the fossil record makes a really good indicator that evolution occurs it does not prove it and is sometimes inconsistent, where is the missing link for instance. Not everything that dies fossilizes so its hard to determine some of these things. An interesting arguement in favor of evolution is the development of the human brain from conception to adulthood. Our brain emulates many other species brains until it reaches maturity and becomes decidely different. What I mean is at a particular point our brain is a reptilian brain, I think this is all in the womb, before anyone says something about the planet Draco and the Illuminati :D

    even if every scientific theory right now was proven correct in the next hour it would not disprove god. Maybe it would disprove the Bible (only a few books of the bible are actually said to be divinely inspired by their respective writers btw, a lot of true believers skip that right over...). If we evolved from a mud puddle and the earth was formed over billions of years from debris after the big bang we are still left with the question of why? Either there is no reason or there is a reason and both seem equally absurd to my logical side so I pick the one that makes the most sense.
     
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    #93
    here is an example above...they use science to try to explain the things...but that don't work on the unexplainable and the infinite LoL sheesh! using limited knowledge to disaprove infinite knowledge
     
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    #94
    Like I said earlier, please follow stOx's advice asap.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878
     
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    #96
    I can't continue this conversation with someone so ignorant.

    I'm sure you, grandad, believe that humans never landed on the moon as well.

    When YOU have something constructive and sensible to say, I will reply to you.
     
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    #97
    Must be so nice to live in fear. he's such a nice god.....

    You say "theory" as if you think science has just made evolution up.
    When Einstein's "theory" of gravitation replaced newtons did apples remain suspended in midair awaiting the outcome? Of course not. So just to clear things up a "theory" does in no way suggest something is likely to be untrue, It simply leaves room for other possibilities to exist along side it and further explanations to emerge.

    When Einstein spoke of his "theory on gravitation" did anyone deny gravity? Of course they didn't, They just accepted that while gravity is an absolute fact there are other things we are yet to learn about it.

    Evolutions is caused by something called natural selection. The creatures most suited to an environment are the ones most likely to be able to live longer, Breed more and gather more food. And as a result of this only the genes most suited to an environment are passed on to the next generation, Who in turn are exposed to the same natural selection.

    Do you not agree that if poorly equipped animals die young and mutations occur that over time the genetic makeup of a species will change, And as a result of that change there abilities will become different? I don't see how you could possibly deny something so obviously true.

    Now let me pass the floor to you... We are all waiting.. prove god!
     
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    #98
    Christians don't believe in gravity :D

     
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    #99
    An interesting observation - of course without the order of the Universe, the orbit of the planets etc, (of which our galaxy is but a very small part), it would have been impossible for man to know exactly where the moon would be at any given time in order to be there to land upon it.

    But of course you probably believe that that order just happened by chance, perhaps like your home ... big explosion at the local builders merchants and all your bricks, pipes, cables and tiles suddenly fitted in place for you to live there ... now that would be ridiculous wouldn't it.
     
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    #100
    This planet just happened to be one of the few that has the correct conditions to sustain life. There are trillions of planet out there, The chances of none of them being able to sustain life are trillions to one against.

    I'm sure you are just pretending to not understand this. I can't believe an adult can be so detached from loigic and science as to not even understand simple concepts.
     
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