Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

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  1. birdsfly

    birdsfly Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Christianity is one of the largest faiths in America and the western world. OK, sure we don't target Hindus or Buddhists as much, because we'd probably get an answer in Chinese, Japanese or Indian :) We're not solely against one religion, but all that include gods or higher orders and books of religion which contain what's come to be total BS :)
     
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  2. birdsfly

    birdsfly Well-Known Member

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    #42
    If you can read, I said I do not MEAN (mean is the intentional harm of something or someone) to harm people. Meaning, that this is my opinion, please do not be upset by my opinion...understand :)?
     
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    #43
    OK here are some questions I want you to answer:
    1. What is a miracle?
    2. When, how and under what circumstances do miracles occur?
    3. Do miracles happen to "bad people"?
    4. Have you ever seen a miracle? If so, what does it look like?
    5. Show me an example of a miracle and in the example show me exactly at which point in time the "miracle" occured.

    Thanks :)

    Oh and what do you mean by "The typical teenage "I so smart" rampage"? I don't consider myself that smart...how do you know that I'm a teenager? Can you see me through the power of your miracles? It's just my belief, that's like me saying to you "Oh it's just the typical "I'm going to waste my time at church and pretend that magical powers exist" rampage" :)
     
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  4. grandad

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    #44
    What is a miracle?
    Interesting question!

    Of course there are 'supernatural' miracles, like some of those spoken of in the bible ... the parting of the Red Sea, turning water into wine, feeding 5,000 from a few loaves and fishes and having 12 baskets left over, even resurrecting the dead!
    Trouble is those require faith because we didn't actually experience them ourselves.
    But what about the conception and growth of the foetus in its mother's womb?
    Is that gift of life not a miracle?
    Before you say something like "it happens everywhere", or "we all know how that heppens", think for a moment about how it happens ... with the joining of the sperm to the seed and the sub-dividing of cells, each cell knowing whether it will be part of the heart, or the liver or of something else.

    There are many miracles happening around us every day but we are too busy to notice them or so take them for granted that we are contemptuous of them.
     
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  5. N_F_S

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    #45
    hahaha)))) great stuff

    I will try to download his videos :)
     
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    #46

    Well we could do away with religion and it wouldn't bug me.

    Atheism has little to do with religion but is : "the belief there is no God"


    God and religion are two entirely diffferent things.

    You can have God and no religion but can't have religion with no God.
     
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    #47
    Religion - Blatantly a horrible lie, but i will put my two pennies worth in.

    What is the truth? most stuff on the internet or tv is biased bullshit and very much not the truth.

    Religion was just the start of spreading bullshit.

    The one thing positive i would say for believers though, is that to believe in something can have very positive effects on there life and others around them.

    I know of people that have become believers of a god in the past few years, and it has changed there lives for the better - massively

    So to sum up, i think if people get there kicks and happiness from religion, fair play, as long as they don't use it to bullshit me or kick off wars.

    :p
     
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    #48
    Thats very true, it is always nice to think of youre own god even if deep down you know it is false it can comfort you.
     
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  9. birdsfly

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    #49
    I think you got this off a movie, I just can't remember each one. Hmm, the joining of sperm and egg is a miracle ey? Would that make the joining of a bullet and a brain a miracle as well? Do miracles only happen to good people? You didn't answer my questions above. Miracles that you speak off (non-religious) are just normal every day things which everyone knows about and has seen, everyday stuff is not my definition of a miracle so you shot a blank here...
     
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    #50
    The point you're missing is that your opinions do not define reality. You can't deny what countless other people have witnessed and not look silly.

    Miracles happen to everyone. Some just try to argue them away because they're "too smart for God." Some miracles go unnoticed.
     
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    #51
    They don't happen to amputees. In fact, They only happen to people whos condition is in fact curable or misdiagnosable. Which would lead any logical thinker to conclude that it was in fact cured or misdiagnosed, Rather than think the invisible man in the sky altered reality.
     
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    #52
    An uncle of mine was diagnosed with the last stage of cancer and doctors gave up and told his family to wait for him to die.
    Just then, his family asked a relative to pray for him in the Kaabah in KSA. That relative saw a dream there that my uncle will make a recovery the next Thursday. And he did.
    He lives nearby. Come and meet him if you don't believe in miracles.
     
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    #53
    Was probably misdiagnosed. Do you accept that as a possibility?
     
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    #54
    Atheists arrive upon their conclusions based on common sense & reasoning.

    Theists on the other hand arrive upon their conclusions based on whatever their cult's scriptures say, regardless of the validity of statements in their scripture no matter how obviously fake they are, and seldom pause to think for themselves about why things in scripture are as they are, and if confronted with such questions, begin plotting up excuses to defend their lunatic "faith".

    Atheist's beliefs can be accounted for and make sense. Theist's faith can not be accounted for, because faith is the act of believing in something that has no evidence to substantiate it.
     
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    #55
    Nah, faith is as the bible states, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
    Now whilst many people are happy to follow 'blind faith', (and hence would be like those you describe), the true believer will carefully examine the evidence before committing his life to God.
    True belief is no blinding flash of light, it is an intelligent decision based on a study of Gods Word, the evidence of the creation, historical, geological and archaeological etc records.
     
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    #56

    Mystical bullshit.

    And I suppose the bible is the only "evidence", right? :rolleyes:

    Evidence of creation? Explain, please. (Please don't respond with circumstantial, hypothetical & human-centered perspectives like "if the earth was a few meters closer/farther to the sun, we wouldn't be alive".)

    Historical, geological & archaeological evidence, again, enlighten me please.
     
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    #57
    Not at all, that's not what I said as you go on to quote!
    Well now you come to mention it, isn't that true, and angled just right for the seasons as well?
    But however ... bats that produce sonar, eels that make electricity, seagulls that desalinate water, wasps that make paper, termites that install air conditioning, octopuses that travel by jet propulsion, ants that do gardening sewing and farming, fireflies with built-in flashlights ... all imitated by man over time.
    The beauty of flowers, the variety of foods ... a pollution-free food factory that is a fruit tree - the list is endless, but you will probably just take all of these things for granted as some coincidence coming from a mud puddle!
    Accounts from Josephus, Tertullian and other Jewish historians, the evidence from excavations concerning the history of Babylon, Jericho and many others too much to mention this close to my bedtime.

    It's really as Romans 1:20, 21 says, but hey you don't believe that either I guess but I'll quote it anyway, "From the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse. For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened."
     
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    #58
    Go read a science book.
     
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    #59
    Here, you are implying that the earth is the only planet with life.

    Note that:
    A) If the earth were a few meters deviant from it's current orbit, there still might have been life, just not as we know it.
    B) They have found bacteria-like structures in martian rocks, and the presence of methane on mars suggests that there is life (even though it may just be bacterial life) on mars.

    Take the average human being for example. We aren't just "created" and pop, we appear. One out of millions of sperm manage to make it.

    I'll be here when you wake up :)

    Correct, I don't believe that either.
     
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    #60
    A miracle is something we currently cannot explain. A miracle today may not be a miracle tomorrow. This has been shown time and time again a miracle 100 years ago is now fully explained. Getting hit by lightning is suppose to be a miracle when in fact 80% (I believe that's the #) survive a lightning strike.


    So what do we use religion for exactly? We use it and it's teachings to explain history and things currently that cannot be explained.
     
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