Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), The Last Prophet of God

So now there are only 5 ducks? You don't even have the intellectual capacity to understand what exactly I'm objecting to and now you're talking about ducks. You are insane.

I know what he's saying. But what I'm pointing out is that his number is based on magic hand waving.

Why isn't the minimum 5781? Based on the information you know (which is nothing) it could just as well be a minimum of 1234.

See how easy it is to pull numbers out of your butt when you don't have to deal with facts?

There was over 100 years between God telling Noah to get going building an ark and the flood. Since God was able to make the animals travel to the ark, load the animals into the ark and close the door of the ark, I think he could handle keeping the animals behaved and happy.

Jesus fed 5000 with a couple loaves of bread and some fish.

But surely, such a miracle couldn't happen on the ark.

 

And I say it's a story stolen from Babylon, and it didn't happen with a worldwide flood. Kangaroos didn't just spontaneously start to exist.

 

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html

For further reading

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/menu-catastrophe.html

They go into all of the objections to the possibility of a world wide flood.

At least you're honest about you saying it. A lot of people say it. It is quite the story. And it's no wonder people don't believe it really happened.

One of the interesting things mentioned on that site is that volcanoes mostly billow out steam. That ring of fire may have belched out a ridiculous amount of water that used to be under the earth. I can just imagine what would happen if they were to all suddenly errupt with as much magma as they could possibly eject.

I think we'd need a fireproof ark.

 

The Russians won't allow you. Plus Europe remembers no good about the "Ottoman Empire and the turks."

 

Most important to you maybe.

Oh, you mean period know as "the dark ages."

Yeah, I'm sure everyone is going to go for that... Bring back the dark ages!

 

Actually the dark ages happened to be a European thing - the Persians maintained their education and writings, along with preservation of older materials.

 

wow so God told him to sleep with a 9 different womens and have sex with a 9yr old child
damn i think that Muhammad just wanted to spread his views so he had 9 wifes and have a dozens of children spreading his view... haha i know many people dint believe his views so he had no choice rather than having his children and their chidren and than grouping up and saying their father was great

Btw i believe in every religion around the world, coz every religion point to 1 thing that is "LOVE"

Your just trying to bring your views on top of everyone and saying that all other religion other than Islamic is bad which is the worst thing to do, coz GOD said "Love your neighbors as i did to you"

 

I don't get how this "update of christian morality" thing works?. In 1836, the american poet Edgar Allan Poe married his 13 year old cousin, Virginia. No one called him a "nonce" or a "pedophile", even though the Americans of that time were more religious than the ones of today. What happened did God call up all Christians one fine night and tell them that marraige with anyone less than 18 is no longer acceptable to Him?

 

Wow. This thread skipped 2 whole months and then the fire just heated up again.

Col

 

cmon what i said was diff than what your saying...
Islam believes that Muhammad did whatever God told him to do.
My question is did GOD told him to marry 9 womans and have sex with an innocent 9yr old girl. And did God told Islam that woman should be treated has a servant??? Coz seeing the current state of Islamic woman i feel very sad.

Im not saying that Islam is wrong coz Islam teaches Love and i believe in every religion that preaches Love.
It is you people who are differentiating it

 

^No offense to christianity meant there. I'm just pissed off at ignorant americans equating their modern taboos with christianity (a middle eastern religion)

 

Well anything a Prophet does, and God does not reveal his displeasure at it. it means that God is OK with it. "woman should be treated has a servant" that's just your point of view, but yes women ought to listen to their husbands.

 

wow so a Prophet can rob, kill, rape and still spread the word of GOD???
coz rob, kill & rape aren't pleasures of God, its of the Prophets according to you.

According to me Prophets are the messengers of God, and God preaches only Love and so Prophets should also do the same.

Womens are Human and they should be treated @ the same position a Man is.
They have every right to disagree on what his husband says.
Islam allows a person to have 9wifes, why???? coz Muhammad did the same thing.

 

You're merely using point-of-view laden words here. Guerre de Course (Commerce raiding) was quite a common tactic in wars. Similarly enslaving enemy women (Deuteronomy 20:13-16), (Deuteronomy 21:10-13). Similarly sex with slave women, the Patriach Abraham had a child by his slave woman Hagar.

Why don't you apply one criteria to all Prophets?

 

I think Muhammed was a great teacher and leader of his time. He has given mankind food for thought on the subject of Spirituality in general. I think that the main problem with all the world religions is that they have been manipulated by the powers that be...in ancient times and even more so today.

People sometimes need to be reminded by religious books of that which they already know!!! deep down inside of themselves...

People will always need some guidance but they should trust there own instincts and always live there own truth!!!

 

Interesting you've mentioned that. I don't normally take sides on discussions but some things you just can not ignore.

Muslim women DO have the choice to wear the hijab or take it off. No one forces them. If their husband forces them to do so, it's nothing more than a Christian, Jewish or any other religious man from preventing his wife/girlfriend from doing something. It happens everyday in every religion, to pin point it on Islam to try and make it look bad is quite sad. You can be Jewish female and your husband will tell you not to go to the "club", "bar", etc... doesn't matter what religion. Even a kid can figure that out.

The women is not charged in rape, there are the odd cases when there is corruption in the system and the man gets away with it. I don't even want to go back on how many corruption cases we have alone in the States and Canada. So, lets just not go there.

Last but not least... you want to talk about being equal?

Source: http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-73-1450/politics_economy/voting_rights/

This happen not too long ago in Canadian history. We live in worlds where things are messed up all over. Lets not try and focus on religion as the cause. It's the people. It's the choices you make and the paths you follow and lead.
Everyone be happy, smile, and believe what you'd like. No one persons choices or thoughts on choosing or following a religion is wrong. Not everyone must agree to the same thing.

Cheers everyone.

 

The first one implies a businessman. Prophets have only one business - doing the will God. Jesus for example was preaching the Word of God and healing people for free. No business deals, no political treaties with cities, tribes, families etc. No wars, no multiple wives (not even a single one).

May be he never hurt an innocent person, but you don't want him to find you guilty of stealing a shirt for example ( I am not advocating theft in anyway).

 

There's a minimum value for theft, for which arms are amputated. IIRC it's the price of a shield (that's used in battle).

 

Can you prove it? I thought for a prophet there is no big or small theft.

 

Jesus was born miraculously. And he declared prophethood in his cradle.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh was a trader before prophethood. The Holy Spirit brought the first revelation when he was 40. That was the time of his prophethood.