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Racism still exists in the business world.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ryanman, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. shimmeringgraphix

    shimmeringgraphix Peon

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    #21
    Racism is everywhere still whether in the business world or out in public, it's sad, but true.
     
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  2. ryanman

    ryanman Active Member

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    At least someone finally is being honest.
     
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    #23
    It's not racism!
    India is known for operating click fraud call centers, just as many East African Nations are know for phishing, Identity theft, and email scams.

    I wouldn't take a money wire from Nigeria, that's not racism, that is just life.

    If you don't want to grouped into the category of the known offenders in your country that do this, then put more pressure on your government to stop it. Because the bottom line is, as long as India is one of the leading countries for click fraud, the rest of your honest citizens suffer.
    These are U.S companies that you are dealing with. They are under no obligation to do business with anyone, anymore than ISP's in India have an obligation to let it's users access porn sites from the U.S.
     
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  4. pr0xy122

    pr0xy122 Peon

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    #24
    I couldnt have put it better
    myself.

    Thanks.
     
    pr0xy122, Jun 28, 2007 IP
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  5. ryanman

    ryanman Active Member

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    I think you do not like to read and have not read anything I wrote about click fraud. Just for history- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07...ud_increasing/

    The study indicated that the highest percentage of click fraud - more than 88 per cent - originated from within the US and Canada. Outside North America, click fraud was most prevalent in India, increasing 26 per cent in the second quarter.

    So it mostly happens in canada and us. And I have already explained that people from India do not impact US targeted ads in any way. Read the whole thread before you ask me the same question.
     
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    I wouldn’t spend allot of time fretting on this situation. I go through some of the same issues being in China (although I'm not Chinese but located here) some companies, especially in Europe don't want to buy anything from China and won't even accept prices even if I kill their competitors.

    Just move on. I'm not so much sure if it's racism or just a company practicing what they see as smart business. Perhaps they have been burned before and don't want to risk a loss, right or wrong, it’s their right.

    Looking at it as an issue of race will just drive you crazy. The fact is companies have the prerogative to do business with whomever they want, can't change that. For all the companies that refuse to do business with me, there are 100 more that will.
     
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  7. ryanman

    ryanman Active Member

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    And this thread is proving out to be a perfect example of generalization and ignorance. Sounds like I am talking to some high school kids who are like sheep. They only follow and never lead.
     
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    ryanman Active Member

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    And not only this you are making it sound as if it's a very big problem only in India and not the western nations whereby the research shows 88% is in the US and CANADA.

    Now answer some simple questions. Why has almost every billion dollar corporation outsourced its business to India? And why do you need India anyway when you have proper know how and efficient work force? Don't say that it's cheap as there are cheaper countries out there as compared to India such as Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Philippines, Nepal, Major portions of the Middle East as well. And guess what they all have good English speaking manpower.
     
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  9. ryanman

    ryanman Active Member

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    And this is not about doing business or whatever. It's the way they behave with you. Ok if you do not accept Indian publishers than simply put it in your terms and conditions. First they accept you and than when you talk to your affiliate manager he says in an insulting manner "mostly we do not". They have accepted me but I do not like the attitude and his way of talking. It's useless even wasting your time with a company where the affiliate manager is reluctant in answering your questions.
     
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    #30
    You can argue this death all you want but whats the point?

    What happened happened, get over it, your not being productive by sitting here on Digital Point complaining about a racist Affiliate Manager - Which he wasn't being racist, it was a matter of being cautious, its his business, he can do what he wants with it, if you don't like it, take your business else where...

    Seriously, your not going to make money or do anything productive by sitting around here whining, you could have taken the time you spent complaining to find a new company that isn't so "racist"...
     
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  11. ryanman

    ryanman Active Member

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    Why are you that affiliate manager? How do you even know about something when you have not been there? See everything is based on assumptions. And like I already said it's not about business or money. It's about the treatment. I would never fall that low for money. And talking about finding companies I have already been working with many since the last two years with no problems.
     
    ryanman, Jun 28, 2007 IP
  12. east2west

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    Last week I encountered a situation that relates to this very topic (in a way) I'm working with a client who is having her company's logo placed on tie-clips, cuff-links, and key chains. These are high end products made from gold.

    I had a situation where I could not find the correct clasp she wanted for the key chain, so I had to ask around to the factories that I deal with for jewelry. One guy said that he used to get his clasps from factories located in the Guangdong province here in China, but after trying several factories here he decided he would no longer buy his clasps from anywhere in this province because they were crap.

    By the terms of racism that you seem to have expressed, then this would also fall into that category. The problem is, all parties (other than me) in this situation are Chinese.

    Another case in point. As I said earlier, I've came into contact with companies that bluntly said they don't buy products from China, some are even perhaps a bit rude about it. As I also said, I'm not Chinese, I'm a white American who operates a company in China. If the other parties are truly racist then they wouldn’t have treated me in the same matter as they do other Chinese owned trading companies.

    Perhaps the guys are racists or perhaps it's their policy, really, only they know, but I can tell you this, calling others racist when you're not absolutely sure about, can also seam racist in itself.

    The point is, it's not worth losing any sleep over it.
     
    east2west, Jun 29, 2007 IP
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    ryanman Active Member

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    lol. Trust me I am not losing any sleep over this.
     
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    ryanman Active Member

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    Well to conclude on this topic it comes down to one simple thing. Money and power still dominate the world more than anything else. But it's time the world will witness an enormous change. That's why they call it the Asian century- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Century. The power is starting to transfer into different hands and countries.
     
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    #35
    Congratulations...

    This seems to have turned from you whining about racism to you talking about how great Asia and India are...

    Again - This is a marketing forum, we are here to be productive and help others, if your going to ramble on about racism then your certainly not being productive, at least in terms of internet marketing. The world is not fair, racism still exists EVERYWHERE - Dont act all high and mighty like your the only person experiencing it - get over it...
     
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    #36
    they have a choice. the affiliate manager is not racist at all. as what someone said they are just being cautious and i think that is just normal. for example, my country the philippines has gained a lot of bad publicity because of the terorrist residing on one of our 7000+ beautiful islands. if your a tourist, you have a choice,
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    bottom line: there are still a lot of tourist here :D
     
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    #37
    I can keep quoting you :) You are expressing what i tried to express.

    YES, ryanman Take it as it is.
    It all does not mean that all Indians are cheaters, but history know many examples. Same with Russia and China
    And it is not generalisation we are talking here about.
    We are trying to make clear that it does not matter what colour of your skin or what accent you are speaking english with :)
    It is all about experience. I have one friend running a pharma site... so he started to work with Indian call centre... and damn it always was in the way tha they did it 1st week ok, and then the hell started. They always ordered much more then client really wanted, so they had to pay a fix price instead % to call centres. They started to use stolen credit card info.....
    And many of them did so, but also there were good ones, and they had to fighth for their good name, and it was hard cause the reputation of all Indian call centres was under bi question.
    I will work with indians, but I am honest. I give it a try but i make it very carefully, cause i do belive that we should not depend on stereotypes.
     
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    #38
    Very good example. :)
    But in the question of biz, you never know who is terrorist :)
     
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    #39
    ryanman,

    After reading each post in this thread, I certainly wouldn't do business with you either...and it has nothing to do with racism. I really don't care where you are from. You appear to have a chip on your shoulder, want to turn anyone's words into a "case of racism" (which you will probaly do with my post), and seem to be one angry person looking for an argument. Thanks for the "heads up" on your mind set. I'll be sure to avoid you in the future.

    Jim
     
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    #40
    This is a pointless argument. Whatever the world might be like this isnt going to do anything except frustrate you more.

    And as someone previously mentioned, you're now going on about how great Asia is.
     
    pr0xy122, Jun 29, 2007 IP