Jesus praying for Muslims in the Bible!

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  1. grandad

    grandad Peon

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    #21
    No, categorically he didn't refer to another nation, he referred to those who would respond to the message preached by his disciples ... those who would listen to 'their' words.
     
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    #22
    Muhammad can also be found in Moby Dick.

    A story about a man chasing the truth and when he finally finds it, he lets it go in favor of the fantasy and then dies.

    Tragic story.
     
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  3. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #23
    Darn it, that is the one miracle I can't disprove, with 2 halves of the moon floating in space........
     
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  4. Ahmad_Malik

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    #24
    That is your intrpretation. He didn't say those who shall believe on me through these words or this word. He said those who shall believe on him through their word. Clearly refering to some other revelation.
     
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  5. Ahmad_Malik

    Ahmad_Malik Peon

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    #25
    Ok. But this verse refers to a prophet who would fight the devil through his teachings.
    And when Jesus pbuh takes Muhammad's pbuh name in the Gospel of Barnabos, you run away and don't include it in the Bible. Right?
     
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  6. Ahmad_Malik

    Ahmad_Malik Peon

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    #26
    Of course it came back to its original shape.
    But how about iron-57?
    Or the big bang theory in the Quran?
    Or the earth having a spherical shape?
    The earth and the moon having their orbits?
    The light of the moon bein reflected light?

    Dare to reply.
     
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  7. grandad

    grandad Peon

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    #27
    Read the context!
    He was talking in prayer to his Father about his disciples, of course he said 'their'.
    There is no other revelation, "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" Galations 1:6-9
     
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    #28
    Actually, it is God who chooses what goes in the Bible. If he inspired Barnabas to write a book for the Bible it would be in their today.

    Col :)
     
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    Sherlock Well-Known Member

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    #29
    First of all you love to speak off topic. Every post of yours is off topic and against everyone who disagrees with you. Maybe you don't know the manners of a public forum.
    Secondly i've also checked that site myself and nothing makes me say that that isn't true. Maybe you hate when you get a hit where it hurts the most and that happens when something authentic is posted around here and is indirectly against your religion. Sigh!

    You've got any proof of that? A video or a picture.
    Now YOU are posting without proof!!!!
     
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    Sherlock Well-Known Member

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    #30
    If this guy makes a thread you can simply disagree or agree instead of posting nonsense!
     
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    #31
    Eyewitness evidence ... good enough for any court of law today!
     
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    #32
    No offence meant, but who "inspired" Christian Missionaries to do this:

     
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    #33
    Paul! Right?

    This is Jesus pbuh:

    "Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.' Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: `O God, send us thy messenger: O Admirable One, come quickly for the salvation of the world!'" Barnabas 97:9-10

    P.S. Muhammad means admirable one.
     
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  14. grandad

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    #34
    Right.
    No it isn't Jesus at all - the quote does not come from the inspired Word of God indeed what it says is blasphemous!
    The quote claims that salvation comes from Mohammed, whereas the entire scriptures show that salvation belongs only to God through Christ Jesus.

    "This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:11 (Luke)

    "The woman said to him, "I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things." Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am he." John 4:25,26 (John - Jesus words)

    "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" ! Thessalonians 5:9

    "After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands; and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb" Revelation 7:9, 10

    " Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6
     
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    #35
    If those aren't Jesus' words, then whose are they?
    And Muhammad pbuh did not bring salvation. Nor did Jesus pbuh. No prophet had the right to give salvation. Ezekiel 18:20 clearly states that the soul that sinneth, it shall die and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
    Both of them brought to us the way of salvation ie following God. And only God can give salvation. Its all made up by Paul.
    And Jesus pbuh was the way and the truth and the light for the lost sheep of Israel. While Muhammad pbuh, being the last one, is the way and the truth and the light till eternity for everyone. And this is why you find his name even in the Hindu Scriptures.
     
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  16. grandad

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    #36
    You are misguided in believing that Jesus is merely a prophet - he is the Son of God, as the scriptures show, the only one through whom salvation can be obtained. He can provide salvation because he was sinless, being miraculously born by God's Holy Spirit, hence not inheriting sin from his parents as a normal child would.
    Jesus chose Paul directly after he (Jesus) was resurrected to heaven and commissioned him as an apostle to the nations - his words are part of the trusted word of God ... Mohammed does not share the authority and privileges of Paul let alone Jesus!
    Jesus himself warned of false prophets and false christs who would distort the Good News and that is why the bible warns against adding or removing from its content. The bible repeatedly from Genesis onward pointed forward to the coming of Jesus Christ as God's annointed means of salvation and it confirms his arrival and his works as well as naming him as the Christ, the Annointed One - he provided the way of salvation by the shedding of his lifeblood in behalf of ALL mankind.
    The bible does not point to Mohammed as the way of salvation, nor does it confirm his arrival or his works ... so you must decide for yourself whether that makes him the way of salvation or a 'false prophet' - you stand or fall by your decision.
     
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    #37
    Are you too stupid to read my posts? They are all (maybe an exception) on topic to what was in the thread, maybe not the original post, but answering a post therein. If I am responding to a muslim post, most likely I will be disagreeing with him. Most of the posts started by muslims in the P&R section are from this guy who tries so hard to disprove the Bible in one sentence and then TRY to show mohamud is in the Bible in the next. It is laughable to say the least.

    Then you want people to think recorded information is somehow a miracle?

    Oh, Iron 57 wow what a miracle the verse numbered later has 57 and Iron woo-hoo. Not a miracle, the earth is round is not a miracle, mohamud is evil is not a miracle. Got that?
     
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    #38
    There's another story that talks about Muhammad.

    It's a story about this little flying pixie that comes to a little boy and tells him he can fly. So he flys away and goes and sits in a tree in his own fantasy world for all of eternity in the land of pirates. He never grows up.

    Just like Islam today that has never grown up and still lives in the dark ages of barbarians. And still never learned to read.

    "their"

    Wow. I'm reminded a lot of my days studying Mormonism and talking to people about Joseph Smith in the Bible.
     
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    #39
    Same fallen angel spoke to a couple of "religious" leaders.
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #40
    If anyone needs Jesus' prayers right now, it's muslims. Although they like to admit they "believe in him too," as the case is most of the time, they rarely every talk about the fact they don't believe in his trinity, that he was the Son of God or that He died on the cross for our sins.

    Ol' Mo' had to change that part around, so that Jesus didn't seem more important than mo thought he was.

    Of course, Jesus preached peace and mohommad preached war and conquest.
     
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