Jesus praying for Muslims in the Bible!

Reading the Bible, I just discovered that Jesus says in John 17:20

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word.

And we Muslims believe in Jesus (PBUH) through our word, that is the Holy Quran! And it is obligatory for every Muslim to believe in Jesus (PBUH) as a Prophet of God, otherwise he's not a Muslim!

 

Are saying Jesus was "only" a prophet of God?

The problem you may have my friend is that Jesus prophecied several things, does not mean he is "only" a prophet of God. He is the "Son" of God also. If you read the next few verses it will say "that the world may have the knowledge that you sent me forth and that you loved them just as you loved me."

Puts that idea into a different context doesn't it? Meaning, when he says "in order that they may all be one", he meant that we all should have the same accurate knowledge of God and Jesus.

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I did read the context. But did not find anything relevant because Jesus started talking about the unity of his disciples that "My father is in me, I in thee and we all are one".

But if you say that we should have a similar belief about Jesus, then I'm ready to discuss.
As for the question if Jesus was just a Prophet, then my answer is NO. The Quran mentions Jesus as a Messiah in several places. And he is given a very special places amongst the Prophets.
As for Jesus being son of God, I told you, I can agree to that as far as all prophets and good people are referred to as sons of God. But if you say that Jesus was divine or "begotten" son of God, I beg to differ.

 

Fair enough. That's your opinion about Jesus not being the "only begotten Son of God" (John 3:16-18). You might want to revisit those verses.

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Do you know what 32 Scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 cooperating Christian Denominations did with John 3:16?
I'd be surprised if you don't know.
Read the RSV for further reference.

 

32 scholars of the highest eminence?? Who on earth would they be?
BTW, I said John 3:16-18. There's two more verses.

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Lol! They were Christians, trust me!

They wouldn't prove anything to me once John 3:16 has been identified as an interpolation. And that makes the entire Bible doubtful.

 

I would like some proof on that...and if the Bible is doubtful, which di your boy mo' copy so much of it? He didn't come up with some of his garbage on his own...also, Jesus was a Jew, not a muslim. Islam did not exist when Jesus was around. There is no way to deny that. Facts are Facts. Also, Jesus prayed for everyone in the whole world, not just one specific religious group.

 

Look at the language you're using. And look at my posts. Its quite saddening to see people like you.
Secondly Muhammad (PBUH) didn't copy anything from the Bible. He couldn't read or write. And to further tell you, the Bible wasn't translated into Arabic until 900 AD ie about 300 years after his death.
And he lived in a majority of Jews. Those Jews who hated Jesus and called him an impostor. So if he had to come up with something, why didn't he come up with something like the Jews instead of coming up with beautiful verses about Jesus and Mary? And how did he just happen to come up with a book of jawdropping miracles? Refer to the link in my sig for further details.

And this verse clearly states those who shall believe in Jesus from their word. This points to none other than the Muslims.

 

the fact he couldn't read or write goes to show that he copied. Basically all he had to do was listen to stories that were passed on by word of mouth (that was a VERY common practice back then, which is why the Gospels weren't written until many years after Jesus' death)...it also goes to show why he would have changed things. Without the exact accounts as they were written down, mo was free to change what he wanted to fit his agenda. Also, please don't spam by asking us to see your link...I think that is against forum rules. Furthermore, everything you post on here goes to show why the Bible is wrong and the koran is right...but you never offer any proof. You constantly discredit the Bible, but then you make a post such as this that fits your agenda that Jesus was a muslim (which is wrong as islam did not exist then!)...which is it for you? Is the Bible right for what it supposedly says about muslims, or is it just a book with a bunch of junk in it??

 

Okay. you're getting off the topic. Let me give some facts to you which I can give references too if you want.
- Muhammad pbuh couldn't write. He used to dictate the revelations to selected writers called KHATIBS who used to write the revelations there and then and preserve them. So nothing could be changed.
- The site about miracles isn't mine but I found it so lovely and amazing that I put it in my sig
- Unlike the Bible, the Quran doesn't have a single word of the Prophet or any of his disciples. All are direct words of God, preserved in Arabic.
- I don't discredit Bible. But I discredit your belief upon it. But I just say that its not in its pure form so I don't trust it completely. Also there are stupid scientific errors which I could quote if I wanted to insult it. So I cannot accept such a book to be completely the word of God.

Now tell me, why did he come up with beautiful verses about Jesus instead of going with the Jews? Because you know that a prophet from Arab was prophecised in Deutronomy 18:18!

 

you are so mixed up in your knowledge (if you want to call it that) of Christianity and what mo actually wrote that you cannot be reasoned with. You have posted your scientific errors before, and they have been discredited, just search the forums. I am not going to do your work for you. All I am saying is that just about every week you post another topic in which you claim to have "proof" about islam and something in the Bible that "points to" mo...In fact all you ever have is your own radical thinking about the whole thing. You stated in another thread that you are trying to reform islam, and that you even talk in the face of the imam across the street...Why don't you actually try learning what Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Jesus are all about, and then try to post a rational argument.

P.S. Deut. 18:18 translates correctly from the Hebrew as prophetS...it is plural, not singular. If you read the whole Old Testament, you will see that God raised many prophets from the "Arab" region...Back then the whole region was considered arabia, from the dead sea eastward. This is the Area that many of the original people who did God's work were from, until God gave the Jews the promised land.

As far as the Bible goes, we (christians) believe it is the Word of God. Just because humans wrote it doesn't mean God was not at work in its writing. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with God. Actually, I think you have a lot of problems that you need to take up with God. Isn't being selfish and egotistical (which you very much are both) sins according to Islam? Just like fornication (yet how many wives did mo have? including the 9 year old when he was in his 50's)....think about it.

 

This guy has nothing better to do then spread lies and run when asking for proof.

The "miracles" website was a joke, I searched for a miracle written and none where miracles, just their perception that somehow these scientific ideas where prophecies instead of the thoughts from some of the day.

Not one 'miracle' and if you want to know what miracles are you need to refer to Jesus who performed many. Things like turning water into wine and healing a blind man are miracles.

 

Jesus prayed for all sinners and unbelievers. He wants them to repent and come to the knowledge of God.

Muslims would be included in that group.

So yes, Jesus prayed for Muslims, Buddhists, etc.

It's almost controversial.

 

Try to read it in context:-

John 17:15-20

Jesus in prayer to his Father is speaking of the disciples with him at that time, he asks his Father to care for them. He then asks Him to not only care for them but also to care for those who listen to them ... 'them' as in those he was speaking about at that time.

From the continuation of Jesus message the early Christians spread the message of the Good News which has continued with the work of Christians down to this day.
This has nothing to do with Muslims or Islam but everything to do with the message of Jesus Christ, as declared to those original disciples, being passed to others in the same form.

"For I am the Lord, I do not change" Malachi 3:6

 

well people i can reply every single person but whats the u wont accept it i want all of u to see these videos and if still there is a doubt then only God can guide u..perhaps ahmad malik you are performing your duty well and spreading the truth i appreciate you...


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see all the video that is sufficient tto prove the truth

 

How could Jesus pray for muslims when muslims didn't even exist when Jesus was alive ???

 

So you’re challenging my knowledge? Yours might be limited to Judaism and Christianity. Mine isn’t. I know both of them and Hinduism. And this is why I once quoted this from the Hindu Scriptures:

Have you got any slightest bit of refute to this? If you have, tell me, I’ll give you further references.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

This is from the KJV. You mean to say that all the translators have always translated it wrong? All the words in bold refer to a single person. And how many prophets did God send after Moses? And then, how many from the Arabs ie the brethren?
Jesus came after Moses. But Jesus wasn't from the Arabs either, he was a Jew!

 

Jesus pbuh knew that Prophet Muhammad pbuh was to come and Muslims were to come.

That is why he said, those who shall believe in me.

 

FYI, the Quran mentions miracles of Jesus pbuh that aren't mentioned anywhere else, like reviving people from death.

Prophet Muhammad's pbuh greatest miracle is the Quran. But he was given one physical miracle as well. He once struck his hand in the direction of the moon and it split into two.

And no miracle in the Quran? Are you sure? The name of chapter 57 Iron and the atom of iron-57? A coincidence?

But didnt Jesus pbuh refer to some other nation in verse 20? And then what is their word?