the paid links issue....

Discussion in 'Google' started by darrens, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hi,

    All this concern over google and paid links so would this help webmasters who buy them???

    Ok google allow link exchange between my site and another as the link kind of cancles one and other out. If you buy links why not add a rep link on your page and add the nofollow tag as google suggest ... this means your not passing the pr back to them and how would google tell if your link has been paid for?

    just a thought?
     
    darrens, Jun 26, 2007 IP
  2. RuDeDoGg

    RuDeDoGg Well-Known Member

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    if you add the nofollow attribute google won't count the link. So it's like making the link not even on the page, so no pr for website you're linking to.
     
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  3. schnibitz

    schnibitz Peon

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    I don't get how they know you're paying for it? Do they just make assumptions?
     
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  4. trichnosis

    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    google was checking paid links before. they are going to improve that paid link algo. i think google is looking for more information for this algo. with that paid link report tool on webmaster tools
     
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  5. MrX

    MrX Well-Known Member

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    google knows everything that's how! actually they got a form so u can rat other sites out who are buying links. im sure footer links are devalued to sh** now (or will be).
     
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  6. schnibitz

    schnibitz Peon

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    Seriously? That would be the worst thing ever. I can see competitors taking turns false-ratting on each other in an attempt to out-google one another. I'm sure this topic has already been discussed, but I really hope this does NOT happen.
     
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  7. hmansfield

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    I haven't paid for any links, and I don't really want to have to, but I can't see getting anything past a PR 5 without it, since anyone with PR 6 and up only sell links.
    I think there should be an amnesty since it wasn't a no-no before, and then from now on, it should count against you, if that's what the plan is.
     
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  8. MrX

    MrX Well-Known Member

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    Too late: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/paidlinks
     
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  10. russianzio

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    Reporting another site is so low!!! Listening to those "reporters" is also low. On the place of google i would be punishing only those reporting, straight out of index forever!!
     
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    #11
    I'm definitely not a paid link fan, but the saying is: snitches get stitches.

    They made that form simple enough for any idiot to use, but I don't have time to be their rat.

    Now if Google would pay us to report links, then THAT would be fun.
     
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    oseymour Well-Known Member

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    They have been devalueing paid links for a while now...they are just looking to improve the algo that can detect paid links.....Matt Cutts has said that many times....they are not going to look at individual sites that are reported
     
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    theo-zzzz Notable Member

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    If I would report a paid link.
    How would Google know if it's true?
     
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  14. ddwebguru

    ddwebguru Banned

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    If you see google webmaster account - there is a link to report paid link and many googlers (Adam Lasnik etc) said the algorithm try to reach to the paid link. But my question is why? If I buy what's the issue on it?? And in this regards many pages are blocked by google.
     
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  15. hmansfield

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    Because it is un natural. They are trying to get the rankings as natural as possible, so that you cannot buy rank and be rewarded.
    I am sure that they know that PR is an industry all it's own. IMO it's bigger than any other.
    People are now more concerned with PR, than, function, design, usability, content, and everything else that makes a great site.
    It's actually ruining the quality of sites out there as people are not taking the time to be creative, informative, and useful, just enough content and "Tricks" to get the numbers, so that they can sell links.
    It's a revolving door that does nothing for the quality of the web and the sites on it.
    If they do not get a handle on it now, it will be more out of control than it is now and the web will be littered with mathematically correct sites, but hold no actual value to the user.
    As it is now, it's pretty bad.
     
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    I dont think Google takes buying links too harshly like people are always suggesting. The top sites on the web pay for links all the time. To me, adding a nofollow tag would start hurting SEs ranking systems. If everyone started doing that, one day no one would have inbound links. Buy some links from some relevant high quality sites if you feel you need to, just stay away from buying from bad sites.
     
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  17. hmansfield

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    But the problem is, that means that realistically, the only way to achieve search engine ranking is to pay for it, and that is what they are trying to prevent, because then that takes the web out of everyones hands, and only makes it available to those who can afford to participate.

    I see both sides of the coin, but if the web is to become that way, then none of us will be able to compete because big money will always win, and the average business man, or webmaster will be forced out.

    If you buy into the " paid links are the way to go" mentality, sooner or later it will bite YOU in the ass, because your competitors will simply be able to buy out your spot, and you won't be able to rank for shit.
    It will create a monopoly if it is allowed to continue this way.

    Think of it this way...what is easier and less expensive. Running an affiliate program with hundreds and thousands of affiliates, or simply buying the top 10 or 20 spots for you niche?

    It will bite the webmaster in the ass eventually. That is why we have anti trust laws, and legislation against monopolies.
    Eventually if no one is able to compete in an economy then the economy itself suffers.
    There must be fair competition for any economy to survive.

    You have to think bigger than your own immediate Page rank, and think about your survival as a whole.
     
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    I cant really agree with you there hmansfield.

    The problem I see is that everyone knows that links are an improtant part of how Google ranks a page. Say Google figures out in their algos how to completely filter out paid links such as footer links, nav bar links, etc.

    The big money boys will just spend stupid amounts to get webmasters to embed their links into strong websites. This may take a lot of work but the Internet without paid links will be much less competitive than now. A few well placed BROUGHT links that passes the new Google Algos could do a website a world of good.

    Algos cant be perfect and with each change, the first bird to the loopholes will be the big winners. The bigger the change, the bigger the win.


    my 2 cents
     
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    There is a lot of "spots" on the web...

    I think that the Web of today has lots of room for the small guy that creates a great site and may get tons of traffic and PR from natural linking and bookmarking.

    And if you want the Web to be a true media you need to have a way for professionals to get the job done on a day to day basis; A web without cash flowing would be dead real fast.

    -> More cash flow or bust ! :D
     
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  20. hmansfield

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    Both sides make sense, but, nobody really cares about the webmaster, but the webmaster.
    It is on Googles own best interest to allow the web , their web, to be open to fair competition so to further their agenda, or the big link buyers will monopolize the top rankings, and the adsense revenue.
    If the ads can't be placed fairly and evenly, then Google looses money.
    It will also limit the number of ads that show any return at all.
    Yes that will still be a big number, but not as big as if EVERYBODY who are adsense publishers has a fair shot.
     
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