Jesus wasn't good, how can he be God?!

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  1. alaska88

    alaska88 Peon

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    #21
    at least someone who has understood my sarcasm. that's good.
    Just wondering, who told Jesus that his father was god?
     
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    #22
    You have read the part where he was baptized by John the Baptist? How it says "After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved."

    It kinda gives it away when God actually tells everyone that was there.

    Col :)
     
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    #23
    Good or bad is in the heart of believers :) Not for us to judge.
     
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    #24
    All four Gospels are anonymous in the sense that none includes the author's name. The traditional names - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - did not become associated with these writings until the second century. It is probable that the Gospels were only named in late 2nd century by Irenaeus.

    According to modern NT scholarship, not one single book of the NT was written by anyone who met any JC.
     
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    shyamali2007 Banned

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    #25
    go and search from google.. u will find lots of answers here... Christ is oridary man with the power presently by God. Like Ram and Krishan is also ordiary man with extraordiary power present by God. If u want to know more about this then go to the Chruch and ask the FAther to finish up the answers.

    Cheer
     
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    #26
    What kinda son? I have heard three different explanations from Christians.

    1. Jesus is son of God.
    2. Jesus is the begotten son of God.
    3. Jesus was God in human incarnation.

    I can agree to the first one only because it says in the Bible that anybody who follows God rightly is the son of God. And so were Adam, Abraham and all the Prophets (Peace be upon them all).

    For the rest, these statements of Jesus prove he had no special relation with God:

    John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"

    John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"

    Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

    John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

    And in Arabic, anyone who seeks the Will of Almighty God is called a Muslim. So Jesus (PBUH) was a Muslim!

    Matthew 16:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed.... (the exact way we Muslims pray to God)
     
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    #27
    Try reading something else than propagandas. A criminal cannot change an ignorant nation to what you see the Arabs today.

    Show some respect for Mary (PBUH).

    Lol! I mean what do you believe about God? If you believe in the God of Abraham (PBUH) and all the prophets.
     
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    #28
    Of course I do. It's written in the Bible. God has not changed one bit. He is and will always be a kind and loving God who gave us opportunity to worship him so we can benefit ourselves.

    Well, that's a theory and will remain exactly that, a theory.

    Col :)
     
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    #29
    How would you comment on these words of Jesus (PBUH)?

    John 16: 12-15

    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
    15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
     
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    #30
    Nope. It's accepted by the majority of both secular and religious historians and scholars as 'fact'.
     
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    #31
    Jesus is not God, nor is he Son of God because God wasn't even a man. Every should accept that.
     
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    #32
    Please check your sources, all four gospels were written by Greeks not Hebrew, while reading another source. The names were changed so they could be cannonized.

    Keep up the work.:)
     
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    #33
    No disrespect here, could you give us links for your sources that says this theory is not true??

    Thanks
     
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    #34
    While the Gospel credited to Matthew does not name him as the writer, the overwhelming testimony of early church historians stamps him as such. Perhaps no ancient book has its writer more clearly and unanimously established than the book of Matthew.

    From as far back as Papias of Hierapolis (early second century C.E.) onward, we have a line of early witnesses to the fact that Matthew wrote this Gospel and that it is an authentic part of the Word of God.

    McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia states: “Passages from Matthew are quoted by Justin Martyr, by the author of the letter to Diognetus (see in Otto’s Justin Martyr, vol. ii), by Hegesippus, Irenæus, Tatian, Athenagoras, Theophilus, Clement, Tertullian, and Origen. It is not merely from the matter, but the manner of the quotations, from the calm appeal as to a settled authority, from the absence of all hints of doubt, that we regard it as proved that the book we possess had not been the subject of any sudden change.”

    The fact that Matthew was an apostle and, as such, had God’s spirit upon him assures that what he wrote would be a faithful record.

    I don't supply "links" to these sources because you won't find them in any web site. These sources are from books. You know, the kind we read.

    If we are to believe that Matthew was an apostle, then he was chosen by God to be one. All writers of the Bible were chosen by God, and his holy spirit gave them the inspiration of HIS thoughts and not their own. This is no different in thinking for the prophets Daniel, Jeremiah, Habakkuk, Micah etc..

    Col :)
     
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